it's not that Sony's PC strategy is bad, it's just that is bad executed

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singleplayer games simply don't have the same appeal live service stuff has
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the right thing would be to launch everything live service day and date and maintain the singleplayer games permanently exclusive to the console, the most played games on PC are multiplayer titles
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I was thinking this exact thing myself the other day. Keep big budget single-player on your console as the main attractions - they don't sell much on PC anyway.

Put your live service games on PC for obvious reasons - Concord could blow up much like Helldivers has. These types of games do much better on PC anyway.
 
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I was thinking this exactly thing myself the other day. Keep big budget single-player on your console as the main attractions - they don't sell much on PC anyway.

Put your live service games on PC for obvious reasons - Concord could blow up much like Helldivers has. These types of games do much better on PC anyway.
like 80% of the money they make on PC come from Destiny, and now Helldivers
 
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No, it's pretty bad
i would be ok if it was just the live service titles, it would actually make sense cause these games need the maximum amount of players possible and the PC userbase loves multiplayer games
 

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The problem with Sony's PC strategy is that their biggest games don't appeal to the PC crowd. PC gamers don't like cinematic single player story games, they like shitty survival/crafting open world sandbox games with shittons of replayability like Rust or Ark. And they like competitive PvP shooters or team-based games like overwatch, counterstrike, LoL/DotA. 80% of PC gamers wouldn't even be able to run Sony's games acceptably to have it look and play right. PC players are also super fucking whiny and entitled. They're literally the worst consumer segment because if they get triggered off of anything they'll use it as an excuse to pirate your shit. Also they barely ever buy games at full price.

What Sony should be doing to address the PC crowd is porting ps1 and ps2 games there for $10 each. That's a price PC players will actually pay.
 

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OP is right but Sony believes, like the PC supporters, that these games have no more value after a year or two. Future PS5 owners won't play or buy them so dump them on PC for mocking memes and articles, low sales and piracy.

They think it's better than building an attractive ecosystem. Sony looks at Phil with stars in their eyes. They want to be Xbox. Let them.

Horizon came out 3 weeks ago and it's at #71 on Steam. Games that came out 10 years ago are all above it 🤣

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The mistake Sony made was thinking PC players didn't also buy consoles to buy the Single Player Games. The ones who didn't buy into your console ecosystem were never gonna support your games even on their platform either.

But they've badly botched this initiative I don't see how they walk it back without pubicly acknowledging they made a mistake and we know they won't do that.
 

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It is bad, there's no thought, rhyme, or reason to this strategy at all. Idk if we can even call it a strategy.

Remember when Hermen said "at least 1 year", and then Jim a few weeks later pushed it back to 2 years? Not even Sony knows what their "strategy" is.... I'm not kidding when I say Sony has no clue what they're doing, they have zero foresight, no matter how much Yurinka blabs on about them "having all da data!!!"
 
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OP is right but Sony believes, like the PC supporters, that these games have no more value after a year or two. Future PS5 owners won't play or buy them so dump them on PC for mocking memes and articles, low sales and piracy.

They think it's better than building an attractive ecosystem. Sony looks at Phil with stars in their eyes. They want to be Xbox. Let them.

Horizon came out 3 weeks ago and it's at #71 on Steam. Games that came out 10 years ago are all above it 🤣

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look at this sh*t, it was not even worth all the risk of losing exclusivity
 
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It is bad, there's no thought, rhyme, or reason to this strategy at all. Idk if we can even call it a strategy.

Remember when Hermen said "at least 1 year", and then Jim a few weeks later pushed it back to 2 years? Not even Sony knows what their "strategy" is.... I'm not kidding when I say Sony has no clue what they're doing, they have zero foresight, no matter how much Yurinka blabs on about them "having all da data!!!"
what bothers me is that they don't need PC for these singleplayer games, they already sell 10 - 20M copies on PS5 alone, they should be happy with these numbers cause multiplatform games that are avaliable on PC, Xbox, PlayStation and sometimes even Nintendo struggle to reach these numbers.
 
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what bothers me is that they don't need PC for these singleplayer games, they already sell 10 - 20M copies on PS5 alone, they should be happy with these numbers cause multiplatform games that are avaliable on PC, Xbox, PlayStation and sometimes even Nintendo struggle to reach these numbers.
Yeah, they say that these "will fund future games", when the best performing port (HZD) has only made around 30m profit. And then you have games like Sackboy, Rift Apart, and Returnal that probably haven't even made 5m profit. So it takes around 10 ports to fund a single game.....When these games already fund themselves several times over? Ragnarok did 5m in 1 week, GoW 2018 did 2.5m in 2 years on PC. And most of those sales at $20, with Steam taking 30% on top. The notion that PC is "needed" to fund anything is one of the most disingenuous talking points. 10 PC ports after 2 years are needed to match the revenue of week 1 console sales for a single game, while Sony also loses the ability to market them as exclusives. It's the dumbest idea ever.

But hey "its free money on old games 🤡!!!"
 

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The mistake Sony made was thinking PC players didn't also buy consoles to buy the Single Player Games. The ones who didn't buy into your console ecosystem were never gonna support your games even on their platform either.

But they've badly botched this initiative I don't see how they walk it back without pubicly acknowledging they made a mistake and we know they won't do that.
It would be easier for the current interim CEO to walk it back that way the new CEO they actually hire wont be the fall guy for the decision.
 

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Yeah, they say that these "will fund future games", when the best performing port (HZD) has only made around 30m profit. And then you have games like Sackboy, Rift Apart, and Returnal that probably haven't even made 5m profit. So it takes around 10 ports to fund a single game.....When these games already fund themselves several times over? Ragnarok did 5m in 1 week, GoW 2018 did 2.5m in 2 years on PC. And most of those sales at $20, with Steam taking 30% on top. The notion that PC is "needed" to fund anything is one of the most disingenuous talking points. 10 PC ports after 2 years are needed to match the revenue of week 1 console sales for a single game, while Sony also loses the ability to market them as exclusives. It's the dumbest idea ever.

But hey "its free money on old games 🤡!!!"
Playstation already said that PC money isn't going to console or games.
 
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Horizon Forbidden West: sells 9M units in 1 year on PS4/PS5
Resident Evil Village: sellls 7M units in 3 years on PS4/PS5, Xbox One/Xbox Series X/S, PC, Mac and iPhone

both are AAA, sony is risking losing their dominance in the console space for pennies, it's just depressing to see they ruin their biggest division with these moves, the value the PlayStation platform once had has been long gone when you can wait and play these games for free on PC the second they're released there 🤦‍♂️
 

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people keep saying that PC money are going to fund games on console, it is not the case. they are full of shit. not what PS bean counters has said at all.
yeah its more likely that it was going into Jim and Hermens pockets


Horizon Forbidden West: sells 9M units in 1 year on PS4/PS5
Resident Evil Village: sellls 7M units in 3 years on PS4/PS5, Xbox One/Xbox Series X/S, PC, Mac and iPhone

both are AAA, sony is risking losing their dominance in the console space for pennies, it's just depressing to see they ruin their biggest division with these moves, the value the PlayStation platform once had has been long gone when you can wait and play these games for free on PC the second they're released there 🤦‍♂️
Xbox dying has made PS feel invincible, I hope Switch 2 can shake things up. Totoki is picking the next CEO, so I have very little faith in PS's future
 
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I think the smartest thing would be to sell their games day one on a single global PSN that would include PS, PC and cloud (to play them on mobile or smart tvs) featuring cross-buy, cross-save, cross-play, shared trophies and friendlist.

Regarding upcoming Sony mobile gaming titles, all of them would also be released day one on PS and PC PSN day one, also featuring cross-buy, cross-save, cross-play etc. across all PSN platforms.

For PS Studios GaaS (including mobile), would also in other PC stores day one but without cross-buy or cross-save. For Bungie GaaS, day one everywhere including rival consoles.

For non-GaaS PS Studios titles, would release in non-PSN PC stores 3 years or later than their original release, not featuring cross-buy and cross-save there.

If sometime in the future PC PSN gets big enough to somewhat close to competing against Steam, they'd stop selling their games on rival PC stores. Same goes with mobile.

people keep saying that PC money are going to fund games on console, it is not the case. they are full of shit. not what PS bean counters has said at all.
yeah its more likely that it was going into Jim and Hermens pockets
Nah, they did use these hundreds of millions as toilet paper or as paper to smoke joints and snort coke. xDD

Why wouldn't they use revenue from their products to fund new products? The other option is to keep it as profit, but we know Sony prefers to reinvest.

Playstation already said that PC money isn't going to console or games.
Receipts, please? That wouldn't make sense at all and would go against common sense and how companies work.

Yeah, they say that these "will fund future games", when the best performing port (HZD) has only made around 30m profit. And then you have games like Sackboy, Rift Apart, and Returnal that probably haven't even made 5m profit. So it takes around 10 ports to fund a single game.....When these games already fund themselves several times over? Ragnarok did 5m in 1 week, GoW 2018 did 2.5m in 2 years on PC. And most of those sales at $20, with Steam taking 30% on top. The notion that PC is "needed" to fund anything is one of the most disingenuous talking points. 10 PC ports after 2 years are needed to match the revenue of week 1 console sales for a single game, while Sony also loses the ability to market them as exclusives. It's the dumbest idea ever.

But hey "its free money on old games 🤡!!!"
SIE makes revenue via different channels, part of it being the hundred of millions of dollars they made on PC.

Most of that revenue gets reinvested fund other projects. Some being hardware, accesories or services, plus obviously games under development and games to be greenlighted later, and also signing 2nd/3rd party deals, enlarging existing teams or acquiring new ones.

Sony has like 30 or more 1st party games on development. Most of which should have a budget of over $200-300M, so most of that money reinvested must go to fund game development.
 
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It would be easier for the current interim CEO to walk it back that way the new CEO they actually hire wont be the fall guy for the decision.
The problem is this Totoki guy doesn't know anything about the video games industry. He wants to be like Satya and have PlayStation everywhere while sticking his nose up at PlayStation owners for not empty their bank accounts even more to his company. He is all about the accounting aspect of the business without understanding the importance of exclusivity, the fact PC is an anchor to the growth of the PS5. He's made his stance and he will drag down the brand.