Given they released that upgraded Steam deck with a better screen or whatever, I think a Steam deck 2 is very likely. But not 3, because it's Valve.
it's not that Sony's PC strategy is bad, it's just that is bad executed
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That's the point. Imagine all the hatred pointed at PS right now, instead pointed at SteamOS. They will outright lie and say it's buggy, performs worse, etc etc
I didn't work to take out PlayStation and it will be even less effective against Steam. If anything if they try to go after Steam it will end badly for MS.
MS wants to cut fat. They know they can make more money with other business units. The way I see it they should not abandon consoles but they see selling 50M as a failure (well revered Nintendo consoles sold way less)
For most folks to get a MS console they would have to offer a superior product to Sony. That work would take decades and MS clearly doesn't want to invest that time in a business that might not exist in 15 years.
For most folks to get a MS console they would have to offer a superior product to Sony. That work would take decades and MS clearly doesn't want to invest that time in a business that might not exist in 15 years.
There's this weird idea out there that Microsoft and Valve are besties when they clearly aren't.
Microsoft clearly despises Valve for snatching PC Gaming from under it like that, and I suspect the relationship between the two companies will sour once MS completes its journey to 3rd partydom.
Its purely stupid and not forward thinking.
Look at Xbox, Look at Nintendo. One knows what they are worth and how porting to PC would destroy them in the long term. Xbox on the other hand wanted some quick boost in sales, just like they are doing with releasing on PS5, but kills the Xbox console brand in the longterm.
Nintendo has the right idea but Playstation is following more of an Xbox approach, especially releasing games like Returnal and Ratchet quicker than 2 years.
Look at Xbox, Look at Nintendo. One knows what they are worth and how porting to PC would destroy them in the long term. Xbox on the other hand wanted some quick boost in sales, just like they are doing with releasing on PS5, but kills the Xbox console brand in the longterm.
Nintendo has the right idea but Playstation is following more of an Xbox approach, especially releasing games like Returnal and Ratchet quicker than 2 years.
Yeah but from the big 3 Nintendo is the only pure videogame company. The other 2 have other divisions that generate as much money or more than gaming.
In MS case, they don't want to keep pumping more money into console gaming when it could be invested in other areas for better returns. They made terrible mistakes that can't be fixed only by throwing money at the problem.
And Nintendo has nothing but their IP. Hardware and online among others are abysmal. Of course people would stop playing games there if released in any other platforms.
Sony and MS at least have much better HW and online, that prevents people from jumping ship.
are you sure Nintendo pure video game company?
which Sony's other divisions generate more or as much as Playstation?
Sony without Playstation will struggle. I think Playstation makes more money than Sony pictures, Camera and Phones. Not sure how much Sony music makes.
They dont need to copy MS eitherway, MS chased more sales because of lack of sales.
Sony was not struggling with 1st party game sales or console sales. Look at a recent thread on another forum talking about when did PC gamers decide to be PC gamers, alot of the answers are because Xbox and PS release games on PC now, putting your games on PC gives more reasons to jump ship, not less.
Yeah but Sony and MS offer better HW price performance vs PC for now. So first party games alone are not enough reason to take the plunge. While in Nintendo's case, a couple of games is the only thing they have to offer.
Folks were getting into PC gaming because:
- 7th gen got really long in the tooth. You could game at 1080p 60 high settings dirt cheap during the second half of the generation on PC. While consoles were struggling running demanding games at 720p 20 FPS lower settings by comparison. Also many folks were burned by RROD and YLOD. 7th generation was terrible in many ways.
- Valve created a marketplace on PC and many other publishers followed. Specially japanese ones which were historically absent on PC. Japanese games were a major reason to own a console.
- 8th generation consoles were weak. Entry level gaming PCs could match them. Pro consoles were a response to this.
MS and Sony putting games on PC basically made those new PC gamers say "great, I don't have to waste money on those boxes to play a few games down the line" but if you were a console gamer during the 8th generation and sticked to it, you have less incentives to build a gaming PC. Even with "your" games not being exclusive anymore.
No. For Sony Corp, gaming is THE biggest revenue generator, and there's a noticeable gap between it and the 2nd-largest sector. For Microsoft, gaming is one of the smaller revenue generators and a much smaller contributor to their actual net profits.
That might start to change some going forward with more Zenimax output, ABK, and MS putting games on PS & Nintendo alongside mobile, but at this very moment it is what it is.
PlayStation brings nearly 70% of Sony revenue/profit if it weren’t for PS, Sony picture division would be shut down with how many flops they release. The reason Sony would be able to buy Paramount for 10 billion & remain stable is because they have PS as a secure backing, for now. Sony even porting games to PC (a direct competitor platform) & risk any potential harm & diminishing effect on the PS brand is short sighted & dangerous.
There’s a reason Nintendo keeps its ip close to there chest. Without Mario Pokémon Nintendo would be dead without Mario or Pokémon WiiU would’ve killed them the only reason why Nintendo could’ve probably survive multiple WiiU is because there close wall garden & precious ip that can only be played on a Nintendo hardware. Nintendo goes after & sue emulator because it infringes on its ip & loosens the control Nintendo has on its ip. Nintendo understands the only thing Nintendo & Nintendo hardware has is there precious ip that can only be played on Nintendo consoles. Nintendo will seek other method of increasing profits like increasing Nintendo first party output doing live service doing cross media doing parks doing merchandising before they ever put there games on a direct competitor platform & loose it’s only reason to buy a Nintendo hardware & its ability to compete
The companies they bought to help Xbox/Gamepass are far bigger and more profitable than Xbox/Gamepass, once again MS completely misread the gaming market.
The current market looks nothing like what MS and their shills were saying it would look like years ago.
Yes. I doubt Sony was expecting their big IP releases to do so poorly on PC but I guess they are unable to revert course so they are just going to try fudge the numbers to confuse people like Xbox did for years.
PlayStation outside of people that are into physical media is mostly for suckers sadly.
From the leaks every release even the big AAA are selling less & less. Fully expect GOW ragnarok to sell less then GOW 2018 just like HFW sold less then HZD even thoe there releasing faster. Which Sony think shortening the timespan of ports will increase sells massive when in reality you will increase PC sells only because PS gamers instead of buying the game on PS console will now wait or buy it on PC instead on the PS storefront.
These leak documents are telling in Sony mindset especially the red text above Spider-Man remaster. Very dangerous mindset similar words to the ones Xbox had when they went day n date. Sony thinking shortening PC port will increase sell without speaking on negative effects & causation of loosing exclusivity when 2 of your direct competitor Steam & Nintendo has there own wall garden w exclusive games that don’t go anywhere else outside of there platform & storefront
I think Sony will fudge numbers in ways to make them feel good for the poor numbers as to not come to reality that PS fans where right which is dangerous cause that’s the same direction Xbox went. We all knew Xbox going day n date would & didn’t help Xbox sell games hell since they went day n date there premiere franchises like Halo & Gears that release day n date on PC sold less then the exclusive one on 360 & early Xbox one. Why? People who would buy Xbox game on Xbox console just bought it on PC & migrated to PC overall Xbox playerbase didn’t grow MS ended up selling the game to the same people just outside of there own platform & storefront. Xbox killed there platform & storefront trying chase a consumer that didn’t care about Xbox & just made there own Xbox gamer that invest on Xbox console migrate to PC giving MS less $ by sharing 30% w steam.
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It's so funny how posters will say things on this forum that are so easily refuted simply by looking at financial statements.
Sony Pictures has been pretty consistently profitable for years. So this idea that they'd be shut down if it weren't for PlayStation simply isn't true.
Every movie studio has flops, it's part of the business. They can absorb these flops with megahits as well as low budget movies that perform extremely well. It's one of the reason why Sony has Screen Gems.
Resident Evil The Final Chapter made 314 million dollars on a budget of 40 million dollars. The Vow made 200 million on a budget of 30 million.
Just las year Insidious The Red Door did 186 million on a 16 million dollar budget.
Madame Web was a flop, but it only cost 80 million dollars and they probably didn't spend the full slate on marketing because they knew it was a bad movie. Morbius' budget was even cheaper at 75 million and actually did significantly better at the box office. That doesn't even include what these movies make on Streaming.
They got 3 billion dollars for the streaming rights to their movies up through 2026. So again, any investment in Paramount isn't just because of PlayStation and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
You even have people saying sony will fudge financial reports because they don't want to believe that their PC results could not fit their agenda that they are spouting on these forums... it's sad and pathetic.