Jim Ryan's 30 years at PlayStation has officially ended. Says PS5 "on track" to be Sony’s most successful & PS2 sold 160 million (PS official podcast)

[Yurinka]

Exactly and so do PlayStation.... if they want to make more money, they should make less first party games and concentrate on being the 3rd party place of choice.

The whole premise of pushing to be a publisher of VERY expensive to make games is negative for Sony.

They should focus on making the console bigger... not their games. The games only exist to push their money maker... console.

Well, in case of PS, during Jimbo years they did push to grow in all fronts with stuff that I think in the mid/long term will make PS5 and PS6 even more successful than PS5 is now:

• Grew their internal development teams and acquired new ones to grow in all of them but specially in areas where their internal first party didn't excel (shooters, MP, GaaS)
• Grew their internal support teams and acquired new ones
• Made a record investment in PS history on 2nd party deals for a generation
• Signed the biggest amount of 3rd party exclusives (but I assume most of them timed, or console exclusives) in a generation
• Made the biggest investment ever on accesories and at least until now released a lot of them
• Highly improved their game subs and cloud gaming achieving record revenue
• Released PSVR2 having a better launch than PSVR1 and released or signed over 260 VR games in its first year, way more than in PSVR1
• Created the new SIE divisions/teams for movie/tv show adaptations to get more money, reach new people and make their brands more popular
• Did push on eSports more than ever (including some related acquisitions) in many ways: creating a dedicated team, overhauling PS Tournaments, adding related console features, sponsored many important tournaments, etc.
• Even if they made computer games since the '80s, they are making their biggest PC push ever (including a related acquisition) to better reach new markets and demographics
• Even if Sony made mobile games since the start of mobile gaming, they are working on their biggest mobile gaming push including a related acquisition and many teams with top Asian mobile publishers and devs to also made their IPs more popular devs
• Many non-gamedev SIE divisions in the past worked separatedly and uncoordinated for each region (SCEA, SCEE, SCEJ...), making redundant work. Many of these teams (as XDEV or marketing) now are a global coordinated team doing a more efficient job with a shared goal, tools, shared knowledge, data, etc. In case of marketing, they achieved records of fastest selling console (interrupted by the shortages) and even in games breaking all time records almost once per year (2020 TLOU2, 2022 GoWR, 2023 Spider-Man 2, 2024 Helldivers 2)
• MS bought CoD but Sony didn't only made them keep it on PS: they even seem will bring the XGS games to PS and are moving away from (at least internally built) home console HW as Nintendo did in the previous generation

Many of these expansions will need some time more to see them fully implemented or released, but in most cases already are achieving their own all time records and are in a multi year growth pattern, leading to think they will continue growing.

I think they'll take mostly a year or two to continue implementation of all these points, integrate all the new people and teams and releasing many of related projects they have in the works.

While at the same time making market research and designing a let's say their next "second expansion stage" roadmap designed around PS6 that would start to be implemented around the console release in late 2027/early 2028, with a similar list of growth plans in different areas. Pretty likely, all these areas plus newer ones to grow their fanbase, brand awareness, revenue and profit.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Console is a describes a gaming box or device that is primarily designed to play games that connects to a TV.

The Switch is a gaming device that connects to a TV as one of it's primary functions. The only exception is the Switch Lite, the least sold SKU.

 

[Nhomnhom]

This is true. I’m glad that Nintendo doesn’t fall for the same stupid traps that Sony does. Right now is another test for Sony, all the media shills are spouting that “the industry is changing” BS because Xbox put their games on PlayStation. And there’s been a non stop astroturfed portbeg campaign for Helldivers 2 to go to Xbox, even coming from Phil himself. Sony might even be stupid enough to follow through and I wouldn’t even be surprised If they do, then it’ll really be the end of PlayStation.

To me things are playing out in a way that is setting up Nintendo for even more sucess, all they need is to hand on to their current business model and everything else will sort itself out.

Sure their consoles are far behind when it comes to power but power matter less and less as we advance and technology is evolving in a way to make hybrid console even more competitive.

Right now most Xbox consoles sold are Series S models that won't be drastically more powerful than the Switch successor. Getting a massive influx of money from third party releases will only strengthen Nintendo position and make them a more direct competitor to the other consoles (that by the looks of it will be just the PlayStation). Just imagine a console with even more momentum than the Switch has, good luck to Sony when it comes to compete in that.

A slight change of momentum is all that is necessary to kill PlayStation, since as of right now Sony already doesn't believe in the console business model so they'll believe even less if their next console starts selling less.

None of what I'm saying are wild predictions, just the continuation of some major current trends. Sony executives somehow got into their heads that no matter what they do they are guaranteed a PS4 like success on consoles but that was never a given. Next gen PlayStation is about to be attacked from all angles by Nintendo, Nividia, Epic, MS and Valve, with the current leadership they won't stand a chance and their eventual exit from the market will be well deserved.

 

[Gediminas]

The Switch is a gaming device that connects to a TV as one of it's primary functions. The only exception is the Switch Lite, the least sold SKU.

Strawmanning again. Fuck me. I give up on this dumbfuckery.

 

[Danja1187]

The Switch is a gaming device that connects to a TV as one of it's primary functions. The only exception is the Switch Lite, the least sold SKU.

The switch is a hybrid yes it connects to TV but the selling point is because it's portable. Nintendo didn't just reverse their fortunes and everyone went rushing out to buy a Switch to connect to their TV lol.

Most games don't even look good on a TV and I'm sure majority don't dock it.

 

[Cool hand luke]

To me things are playing out in a way that is setting up Nintendo for even more sucess, all they need is to hand on to their current business model and everything else will sort itself out.

Sure their consoles are far behind when it comes to power but power matter less and less as we advance and technology is evolving in a way to make hybrid console even more competitive.

Right now most Xbox consoles sold are Series S models that won't be drastically more powerful than the Switch successor. Getting a massive influx of money from third party releases will only strengthen Nintendo position and make them a more direct competitor to the other consoles (that by the looks of it will be just the PlayStation). Just imagine a console with even more momentum than the Switch has, good luck to Sony when it comes to compete in that.

A slight change of momentum is all that is necessary to kill PlayStation, since as of right now Sony already doesn't believe in the console business model so they'll believe even less if their next console starts selling less.

None of what I'm saying are wild predictions, just the continuation of some major current trends. Sony executives somehow got into their heads that no matter what they do they are guaranteed a PS4 like success on consoles but that was never a given. Next gen PlayStation is about to be attacked from all angles by Nintendo, Nividia, Epic, MS and Valve, with the current leadership they won't stand a chance and their eventual exit from the market will be well deserved.

If hybrids become more viable for high end games due to tech advances, Sony will just punch Nintendo and take their lunch in that market, too. The main PlayStation console does not lose.

 

[Nhomnhom]

If hybrids become more viable for high end games due to tech advances, Sony will just punch Nintendo and take their lunch in that market, too. The main PlayStation console does not lose.

Yea, sure, Sony will show up with answers for Pokemon, Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Smash. Right now Sony is just hiding their hand...

Wake up dude, Sony was completely driven out of the portable console market and is scared to death to even try again.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Yea, sure, Sony will show up with answers for Pokemon, Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Animal Crossing and Smash. Right now Sony is just hiding their hand...

Wake up dude, Sony was completely driven out of the portable console market and is scared to death to even try again.

I thought it was a hybrid market they'd be competing against eachother in in your hypothetical. I'm really confused by your flip-flopping.

 

[Nhomnhom]

I thought it was a hybrid market they'd be competing against eachother in in your hypothetical. I'm really confused by your flip-flopping.

In a hybrid market where both Sony and Nintendo get third party support, Nintendo would wipe the floor with Sony. You must be in complete denial to think otherwise.

The hybrid market = portable console + home console. I don't understand how you are getting confused by that. Nintendo already operate under that.

 

[Cool hand luke]

In a hybrid market where both Sony and Nintendo get third party support, Nintendo would wipe the floor with Sony.

No, they would lose like they always have when third party support is involved and the two were in direct competition. I don't know what it is but whenever you place them in direct competition outside of pure portables, Nintendo has the stench of death and failure about them. It's like a child swinging for the fences while the adult just keeps them at arm's length, laughing at their feeble attempts.

 

[Nhomnhom]

No, they would lose like they always have when third party support is involved and the two were in direct competition. I don't know what it is but whenever you place them in direct competition outside of pure portables, Nintendo has the stench of death and failure about them. It's like a child swinging for the fences while the adult just keeps them at arm's length, laughing at their feeble attempts.

All Nintendo needs is for tech to naturally close the perceived gap between portable and non-portable consoles and they'll once again get massive third-party support something they didn't have since the SNES.

The Series S is going to be a massive break for Nintendo, it held back the minimum requirements for all third-party games this gen and the Switch successor will likely be able to capitalize on that.

 

[Cool hand luke]

All Nintendo needs is for tech to naturally close the perceived gap between portable and non-portable consoles and they'll once again get massive third-party support something they didn't have since the SNES.

The Series S is going to be a massive break for Nintendo, it held back the minimum requirements for all third-party games this gen and the Switch successor will likely be able to capitalize on that.

Again, you've been told Series S will be dead before long and the bottom end of the market will be lifted to the PS5 base model.

If Nintendo even tries to dip their toe back into the console market they'll have their teeth kicked out and their chubby face pounded into the dirt.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Again, you've been told Series S will be dead before long and the bottom end of the market will be lifted to the PS5 base model.

If Nintendo even tries to dip their toe back into the console market they'll have their teeth kicked out and their chubby face pounded into the dirt.

GTA6 will be released for Series S, the fact that the console is dead when it comes to sales doesn't mean third parties will stop developing their games for it.

They already are dipping their toes in the console market that was the entire point of a hybrid console and why the least successful SKU of the Switch was the Switch Lite, it's surprising that you can't see it, almost as if you don't want to face reality.

 

[Cool hand luke]

GTA6 will be released for Series S, the fact that the console is dead when it comes to sales doesn't mean third parties will stop developing their games for it.

They already are dipping their toes in the console market that was the entire point of a hybrid console and why the least successful SKU of the Switch was the Switch Lite, it's surprising that you can't see it, almost as if you don't want to face reality.

So just to be clear, your stance is that the entire point of the hybrid console, which was them moving on from their stationary catastrophe in the WiiU and consolidating all of their development teams across portables and home consoles to support it, with a major and almost exclusive focus on portability, is so they could dip their toes in the console market? The one they were just utterly decimated in and pivoted hard to get out of?

 

[Nhomnhom]

So just to be clear, your stance is that the entire point of the hybrid console, which was them moving on from their stationary catastrophe in the WiiU and consolidating all of their development teams across portables and home consoles to support it, with a major and almost exclusive focus on portability, is so they could dip their toes in the console market? The one they were just utterly decimated in and pivoted hard to get out of?

Yes, it was their solution to remain relevant at both markets and it worked perfectly and things will only be getting better for them from now on while PS5 struggles to sell as well as the PS4 and Sony is focused on PC.

You can cry all you want but Nintendo is the one on the rise with a console that is selling much better.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Yes, it was their solution to remain relevant at both markets and it worked perfectly and things will only be getting better for them from now on while PS5 struggles to sell as well as the PS4 and Sony is focused on PC.

You can cry all you want but Nintendo is the one on the rise with a console that is selling much better.

These are tears of laughter

 

[Yurinka]

Regarding the "hybrid" thing, should PSP also be considered it as "hybrid" too? Starting in PSP2000 you were able to connect it to a tv. And Vita? They later released the "PlayStation TV" Vita variant.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Regarding the "hybrid" thing, should PSP also be considered it as "hybrid" too? Starting in PSP2000 you were able to connect it to a tv. And Vita? They later released the "PlayStation TV" Vita variant.

So the VitaTV was a portable to you? You guys are going crazy with the spin trying to discredit the Switch success and we all know if it was the other way around you would be saying the opposite to jerk off Sony.

 

[Yurinka]

So the VitaTV was a portable to you? You guys are going crazy with the spin trying to discredit the Switch success and we all know if it was the other way around you would be saying the opposite to jerk off Sony.

For me Vita TV/PlayStation TV isn't a "hybrid", but instead a home console, and PS Vita a portable console.

In the same way I think PSP and Switch (or at least Switch Lite) are portables too and not "hybrids" just because they can be plugged to the tv.

In the same way I consider Apple Vision a VR/MR headset and not "spatial computing". I think these are bullshit marketing made up terms to make feel a product is more special than it really is.