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Microsoft accuses UK regulator of adopting Sony’s complaints over Activision Blizzard deal
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I'm watching you...
If MS was really for the gamers (lmao), they wouldn't remove games from Nintendo and Sony. It's pretty easy to say stuff like that, isn't it? You seriously think putting a competitor's sub service on your platform is required to be proof of pro-consumerism? Really? The only reason PS5 owners aren't getting those games is because MS decided not to let them have access to franchises they've always had. And they're trying do the same thing with even more franchises. As well, this may surprise some of you Game Pass fans, but Sony, Nintendo, Valve, etc. are running their businesses to make money - just like MS. Why would they give up sub fees and money from sales of games, MTX, etc. to MS?
When you have to twist this hard to make MS into the good guy, I seriously wonder how you don't sense something is off. The only way forward for Sony and everyone else is to tank their businesses for MS.
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1: Game Pass is a competing service for one
2: It would cut Sony's sales in Games / DLC / MTX
3: Sony do not want day and date Services on there console
4: If they had GP on it everyone on Xbox and PC will start complaining wanting Sony IP on there's (more then they already do)
Sony are in the business of making Money and keeping there Shareholders happy.
Microsoft are in it for the User Data / Streaming Accounts / Higher Global Share / Money? and also holding hostage Old IP that has always been Multiplat. (Sony has Made most if not all of there own IP's - Bungie is Multiplat still and will continue to be)
People need to understand these companies are not your friend, Some may talk like they are but they see you as a User ID and attached to that is a % of money they can get from you at the end of the day.
None of the Kumbaya spew they spill means anything.
None of the Kumbaya spew they spill means anything.
Why would you think that relates to Valve, since Microsoft threw their hat in the ring the result has been the return of CoD to Steam.
I'm very confused about this whole MS good guy and PS bad guy stuff?
I want Xbox to do well because they have some very strong I.P's that they are really fkn mismanaging.
As a customer, I appreciate Gamepass and what it offers for the price.
As a customer, I appreciate the incredible games that Sony produces in its eco system.
Cant we all just get along?
Not @Sircaw though. Different kind of fish all together.
I want Xbox to do well because they have some very strong I.P's that they are really fkn mismanaging.
As a customer, I appreciate Gamepass and what it offers for the price.
As a customer, I appreciate the incredible games that Sony produces in its eco system.
Cant we all just get along?
Not @Sircaw though. Different kind of fish all together.
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We can, but it seems like any criticism of MS brings in the old "but Sony" defense. Now we see even MS is doing it. It's not that there are concerns by regulators that their recent buying sprees reduce competition and create a too-high barrier for new entrants in the field, it's all Sony and Jim Ryan's fault. I'd love to have a discussion, a genuine discussion, about these matters but it's all but impossible most of the time. There's also the idea that not all of us look favorably on consolidation of the gaming industry or all digital or sub services in general. So, in that sense, not everyone is going to applaud the moves MS is making which seem to be pushing all three of those things.
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peter42O
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If MS was really for the gamers (lmao), they wouldn't remove games from Nintendo and Sony. It's pretty easy to say stuff like that, isn't it? You seriously think putting a competitor's sub service on your platform is required to be proof of pro-consumerism? Really? The only reason PS5 owners aren't getting those games is because MS decided not to let them have access to franchises they've always had. And they're trying do the same thing with even more franchises. As well, this may surprise some of you Game Pass fans, but Sony, Nintendo, Valve, etc. are running their businesses to make money - just like MS. Why would they give up sub fees and money from sales of games, MTX, etc. to MS?
When you have to twist this hard to make MS into the good guy, I seriously wonder how you don't sense something is off. The only way forward for Sony and everyone else is to tank their businesses for MS.
Microsoft hasn't removed anything because none of it ever belonged to Sony in the first place. Second, you can't remove a future game that didn't exist. Third, Sony has kept games off Xbox and other platforms for decades and no one seemed to care. The only real difference is that Microsoft is buying the company instead of a single game or timed exclusivity. Simply, Microsoft is on another level and people including Sony as a company just can't accept that. Sony like majority here expected Microsoft to just stay as is and keep the status quo the same. Only problem is that Microsoft woke up, said fuck that shit and decided to go all in with their war chest.
It's amazing how people can be perfectly fine with all the bullshit that Sony has done for 25+ years but yet, when it's Microsoft, everyone wants to bitch and cry. It's hilarious to me. Sony is a billion dollar company with arguably the best studios in the industry and yet, they believe COD is better than all of the games from their studios including the recently acquired Bungie. Sure, COD makes more money but it's not better. Not by a long shot.
All three hardware manufacturers are in it for money but the difference is that while Sony is trying to milk every nick and dime from their fan base which is blind and don't see it while wanting to charge you $70 for remasters, $10 upgrade fees, $600 for a PS5 due to the price increase and packing in HFW just to inflate the cost and sales numbers but with Microsoft, I get every first party game for $10 as a monthly rental. What normal intelligent human being is going to choose $70 over $10? You gotta be kidding me. If you could get God of War Ragnarok for a $10 monthly rental, would you still give them $70 instead? Like, come on.
You mention all three companies are in it to make money but yet I want to give them less money, not more money. Why would I or anyone for that matter do that especially when they don't even know you exist? Companies want you to pay more and get less. I want to pay less and get more. And quite honestly, Microsoft and Game Pass allows me to get just that.
Microsoft isn't the good guy at all but neither is Sony, Nintendo or any other company. I look at ABK like I did Bethesda and others. What am I getting out of it as an Xbox fan? And the answer is simple. I get to play their games for a $10 monthly rental so that 50/50 game I would never buy day one now gets a chance because I can access it and play it for that $10 monthly rental. I'm NOT a collector and don't give two shits about owning games, especially physical because why? So I can stare at them on my shelf as they decrease in value with every passing day?
As for Sony allowing Game Pass on PlayStation. All they have to do is accept a first party version of it. Meaning they get every Microsoft first party game and since they wouldn't be getting those games anyway, they wouldn't be losing any money whatsoever. Even if/when Sony loses COD and it becomes exclusive to Xbox, Sony will be just fine. I have never seen a company or their fans cry like babies like I have the last several months. Shit is ridiculous. Sony is a billion dollar company with amazing studios, games, IP's, etc. yet losing one single game which they don't own whatsoever and have no legal right to whatsoever is going to somehow someway kill off Sony. What a joke.
For the record, I don't even care about ABK. I would easily swap them for EA or Ubisoft or WB and all of the DC in a heartbeat. But this idea or notion that Sony is this weak fucking company that will somehow someway become paralyzed or some such shit and can't go on without COD is the biggest fucking pathetic joke I have ever seen from any fucking company. I didn't know Microsoft acquiring ABK all of a sudden means that Sony is all of a sudden incapable of doing anything including competing. Sony wants to remain dominant obviously but they fear an all in Microsoft and honestly, they should but fear should also make them better and make them stronger. Instead, Sony is coming off like pansies with no spine or backbone. I've never seen anything like it and even worse, it's over an average at best game in COD.
My mistake - I should have clarified what I said regarding Game Pass on PlayStation.
If Sony were to accept Game Pass on PlayStation, it would just be for Microsoft's first party games and wouldn't include third party games whatsoever. It would be a stripped down version of just Microsoft's games and that's it. Since none of Microsoft's first party games are going on PlayStation to begin with, Sony wouldn't lose anything and they get to have COD and whatnot which if when they say, they care about the gamers, then they need to prove it.
Holding hostage old IP is such bullshit. Sony never owned any of it and if they wanted any of it, they should have been the company to acquire Bethesda or Ninja Theory or Obsidian. It's amazing that PlayStation fans feel like they're entitled to everything. Guess what? They're not. You can't take something away from someone that never belonged to them in the first place. So this entire idea and notion that Microsoft is taking away games while Sony has built their entire dominance around exclusivity be it their own or by paying for it is total and complete bullshit.
Microsoft has seen what Sony has done and they're simply doing the exact same shit. The only difference is that Microsoft is doing it at a far higher level.
And for the record, I only want Microsoft to acquire studios and publishers because it's better for me. Period. That's it. If Sony gave me games for a $10 monthly rental, they can go and buy whatever they want because the end result would be the same for me. I don't care about the money either company makes or loses. Not my problem. That's their respective problem. I only care about my money and that's it. If I can get games day one for a $10 monthly rental instead of having to buy them for $60+ and also be able to take chances on games that I would never buy, as a consumer and gamer, why would I not want this?
Let me know when you want a genuine discussion. This semantics/conjecture bs ain't it. If you cannot admit that MS removed IPs from Sony and Nintendo, then there is no way anyone can discuss this with you in good faith. As well, the majority of your reply is "but Sony". War chest, Sony are pansies with no backbone, Sony is afraid, it's all there. You don't see this?
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peter42O
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It's probably because of me and my posts where people think im painting Microsoft as the good guy when in reality, none of them are good. It's just that what Microsoft is doing consumer wise is simply far better and far cheaper than what Sony is doing. Also, for a billion dollar company like Sony to cry over a single game is just wow. They own Bungie. Bungie all of a sudden sucks and can't make a great game to counter COD? If anything, Destiny 2 is the better game. Most COD games are above average at best.
I agree with you in regards to Microsoft management issues and whatnot. No argument there.
As a consumer, im a huge fan of Game Pass because it saves me money that I can use towards more games or for anything else that I want to spend it on. People act as if Microsoft is going to buy the entire gaming industry. Bethesda had money issues. Google could have outbid Microsoft if they wanted to but they didn't because they didn't want to invest the money needed to allow Stadia to compete in the gaming market. Microsoft was able to get Bethesda. The alternatives were going to be the closings of Arkane, Tango and Machine Games in that order if they didn't sell. Plus, obviously they wanted to sell.
With ABK, Kotick obviously wants his out and decided to sell. What is Microsoft supposed to do? Nothing? Just let ABK pass them by? If Microsoft were to let ABK pass them by, their shareholders and investors would be pissed and want people fired including Nadella. If you're a CEO like Nadella, there's no way you can pass on what is a once in a life time type opportunity in acquiring ABK. And it doesn't matter how it looks because at the end of the day, it's ABK who wanted to sell and it's Microsoft who was willing to pay $70B freaking dollars to get them.
As an Xbox fan, the more Microsoft acquires, the more I will benefit so why wouldn't I be in favor of what Microsoft is doing? People say that Sony does things the right way. Like, WTF is this bullshit? What right way? This is business. There is no right way. lol
As a PlayStation fan, I love their exclusives for the most part but seeing Sony nickel and dime their fan base and then cry about a single game that they never owned to begin with and cry about it all despite the fact that they literally built their dominance on exclusivity is just mind boggling. Sony thought that Microsoft was just going to stay the same as they were last generation and keep the status quo but Microsoft decided to go nuclear and Sony can't handle it which I must admit is hilarious to see unfold.
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peter42O
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I am having a genuine discussion. Fallout, Elder Scrolls, etc. DON'T belong to Sony. They never did. They never will. So if/when Microsoft acquires a company that was willing to sell, they should release every game on PlayStation despite the fact that Sony built their dominance with exclusivity. Is that what you're saying? Because to me, this just sounds like arrogance, entitlement and being spoiled the last 25+ years.
Microsoft hasn't removed anything. You can't remove something that you never had. Has Microsoft removed any previously released game off PlayStation? No they haven't. But somehow, new IP's like Starfield or Avowed or sequels like Hellblade 2 or The Outer Worlds 2 despite not releasing yet somehow belong to Sony? Seriously, are you freaking kidding me? NONE of what Microsoft has PURCHASED with THEIR MONEY ever belonged to Sony or anyone else for that matter.
It's hilarious to me that PlayStation fans are so spoiled and entitled that they actually believe that when a company acquires another company, that company still somehow someway still belongs to Sony and PlayStation. Wow.
So, in the context of concerns from regulatory bodies and well-deserved criticism of MS double-speak regarding exclusives and slogans like "when everybody plays, we all win" - your takeaway is that PS fans are spoiled. Lovely.
Have a good night.