Sony has generated approximately $700 million from PC ports & releases on other platforms for the last fiscal year

[Box]

You're too optimistic to believe timed exclusives will still be a thing by PS6 Day/date for single player games is happening soon, next year at the latest. And Sony will be confused why the PS6 has the worst launch sales since PS3.

Honestly it's the wakeup call Sony Execs need, fuck them they dug their own grave and it's not our responsibility to save them from their own stupidity

 

[JAHGamer]

What's stoppping the casuals who only play Fortnite and Fifa from going to to PC? A lot of young people are already going Full PC thanks to Twitch streamers making it more mainstream

That’s mostly young people, 30-40 year old people don’t really watch twitch. So Sony will still have that subset of casuals.

Honestly it's the wakeup call Sony Execs need, fuck them they dug their own grave and it's not our responsibility to save them from their own stupidity

They’ve had a bunch of wake up calls and continue to ignore them. It’s too late now and they’re beyond saving

 

[Yurinka]

How does the margins look on these PC ports?

Let's be clear here...

PC data normally is shared in either Corporate Strategy Meeting or Business Segment Meeting.
These happens once a year in May.

May 23: Corporate Strategy Meeting
May 31: Business Segment Meeting

Sony earnings told nothing about PC revenue, profit, etc.
These $700 in OP are not accurate.

May 14h Sony had the Earning Announcements Meeting, where every quarter they share the "Other software" revenue KPI. This is the revenue made by first party (Bungie + PS Studios) published games + addons in non-PlayStation platforms (PC, Xbox and Switch). For FY23, it was 105,358M yen ($676.4M, +55.58% up YoY):

May 30th Sony will have the Business Segment Meeting, which is where in recent years they reported their PC specific revenue and also forecast. Previous year, they shared this:

This graph only counted Bungie in FY22 for a big portion of the year, since they were acquired. Their FY23 forecast was made thinking Destiny 2 The Final Shape was going to release in the last quarter of FY23 (but was delayed to FY24) and didn't consider Helldivers 2 launch was going to be as successful as it has been.

There are rumors saying that the previous Bungie big update, Lightfall, under performed. So this combined with on Destiny 2 release this FY let us think Destiny 2 had during FY23 less revenue than usual, both in PC and Xbox. This means that the Xbox and Switch portion of FY23 "other sofware" should be smaller than in FY22.

In FY22 "other revenue" (67,725M yen, $433,89M) Bungie is counted for the whole FY22, unlike in their PC revenue graph ($250). And the eplanation is longer, but the TLDR is that out from $676.4M we estimate that under $100M are from Xbox+Switch and they made on PC over $500M/$550M but won't know it exactly.

Also, assuming Helldivers did 8M until March 31 and more stuff, we also estimated that PC ports also increased YoY during Q4FY23, as did Q1FY23 and Q2FY23. Reason of being slightly down in Q3FY23 is because they didn't release nothing there for PC when in Q3FY22 they had released Uncharted Legacy of Thieves, Sackboy and Spider-Man Miles Morales plus a couple months before they had released Spider-Man Remastered.

Regarding margins, these ports of old games costed them around a couple million dollars each and many of them generated dozens of millions of dollars, the margins are huge. Even the lowest selling game, Sackboy, has been profitable because they only need around 60K copies sold to make a port profitable. And some of these ports old over 2 or 3 million copies until now.

The ROI is huge and multi-year growth too. Because these ports are releaed at a very expensive price considering they are old games, meaning they have a long lifetime regarding sales because over time with discounts they keep selling for longer. So as they keep piling ports on top of their catalog the total revenue keeps growing, not only due to new releases but also due to sales from catalog games.

 

[SuperPotato]

What's stoppping the casuals who only play Fortnite and Fifa from going to to PC? A lot of young people are already going Full PC thanks to Twitch streamers making it more mainstream

The fact that a midrange GPU costs as much as console and Fifa on PC sucks. Fifa 23 is the first PC version to be identical to the PS5 version. The previous releases were based on the PS4 version.

 

[Neversummer]

Would you stop buying PlayStation hardware if all their first party games go to PC Day 1?

With the recent success of both Ghost of Tsushima and especially Helldivers 2 on PC, Sony's push into PC has proven to be pretty successful overall. However, the point always comes up that Sony would be even more successful on PC if they launched Day 1 on PlayStation and PC. However, they do...

www.resetera.com

This is right. If Sony would go day n date PS PC would see succes they’ve never seen on PC but it would be at the cost of entirely killing your PS console hardware. Sony will have to say bye bye to ever selling 100+ million in the longer run Sony will have to say bye bye to PS console hardware selling 50+ million. PS console would diminish & diminish till they eventually go completely away or become a obsolete irrelevant piece of hardware like Xbox.

 

[Neversummer]

The fact that a midrange GPU costs as much as console and Fifa on PC sucks. Fifa 23 is the first PC version to be identical to the PS5 version. The previous releases were based on the PS4 version.

You do know there PC hybrid like Steamdeck & ROG? Steamdeck cost $500 same price as a PS console it’s now much easier & a lower barrier to get into the PC ecosystem due to these PC hybrid. Oh and they play PS games, Xbox games, PC games + no online subscription & overall cheaper price + mods

Steamdeck which is price at $500 (same as Xbox, PS & Nintendo consoles) plays Helldivers 2 at 1080p 60fps & games like Spider-Man at 1080p 40fps Halo at 1080p 40fps etc & Steamdeck 2 will play those games even better

 

[Box]

This is right. If Sony would go day n date PS PC would see succes they’ve never seen on PC but it would be at the cost of entirely killing your PS console hardware. Sony will have to say bye bye to ever selling 100+ million in the longer run Sony will have to say bye bye to PS console hardware selling 50+ million. PS console would diminish & diminish till they eventually go completely away or become a obsolete irrelevant piece of hardware like Xbox.

It's too late and the ship has sailed, Sony can't roll this back. Pc ports are here to stay. We all need to make peace with it and move to PC.

Sony is clearly abandoning ps5, they can't even come with a fucking showcase for what their first parties have been doing for the past 5 years.

 

[SuperPotato]

You do know there PC hybrid like Steamdeck & ROG? Steamdeck cost $500 same price as a PS console it’s now much easier & a lower barrier to get into the PC ecosystem due to these PC hybrid. Oh and they play PS games, Xbox games, PC games + no online subscription & overall cheaper price + mods

Steamdeck which is price at $500 (same as Xbox, PS & Nintendo consoles) plays Helldivers 2 at 1080p 60fps & games like Spider-Man at 1080p 40fps Halo at 1080p 40fps etc & Steamdeck 2 will play those games even better

Yes, i do know but Fifa for example doesn't just work out of the box on the Steam Deck, since it isn't a Deck verified game. It requires Windows and the EA app to run. A casual player who only plays Fifa, COD and Fortnite won't bother with this crap. He'll just buy a console and call it a day.

 

[Box]

Yes, i do know but Fifa for example doesn't just work out of the box on the Steam Deck, since it isn't a Deck verified game and requires the EA app. A casual player who only plays Fifa, COD and Fortnite won't bother with this crap. He'll just buy a console instead and call it a day.

Tekken now is already over 50% on Steam, with like 39% on ps5. It won't be long before most users move to PC fof Fifa as well.

The reality is the younger crowd is shifting to PC, it's becoming easier and more accessible than ever.

Everyone already owns a PC or Laptop anyways, just like Phones

 

[SuperPotato]

Tekken now is already over 50% on Steam, with like 39% on ps5. It won't be long before most users move to PC fof Fifa as well.

The reality is the younger crowd is shifting to PC, it's becoming easier and more accessible than ever.

Everyone already owns a PC or Laptop anyways, just like Phones

Tekken isn't played by your typical Fifa and Fortnite player tho. Most Fifa players in particular are super casual who don't even follow the gaming media. They don't care about any of this stuff we're talking about on forums.

The younger crowd is mostly going to tablets and phones. Desktops and even Laptops aren't as popular as they used to be.

 

[Johnic]

The reality is the younger crowd is shifting to PC, it's becoming easier and more accessible than ever.

Blatantly false. Gen Z is even more technologically illiterate than the previous gen. It's all about the phones for them. If it's not on the phone, forget about it.

 

[Neversummer]

May 14h Sony had the Earning Announcements Meeting, where every quarter they share the "Other software" revenue KPI. This is the revenue made by first party (Bungie + PS Studios) published games + addons in non-PlayStation platforms (PC, Xbox and Switch). For FY23, it was 105,358M yen ($676.4M, +55.58% up YoY):

May 30th Sony will have the Business Segment Meeting, which is where in recent years they reported their PC specific revenue and also forecast. Previous year, they shared this:

This graph only counted Bungie in FY22 for a big portion of the year, since they were acquired. Their FY23 forecast was made thinking Destiny 2 The Final Shape was going to release in the last quarter of FY23 (but was delayed to FY24) and didn't consider Helldivers 2 launch was going to be as successful as it has been.

There are rumors saying that the previous Bungie big update, Lightfall, under performed. So this combined with on Destiny 2 release this FY let us think Destiny 2 had during FY23 less revenue than usual, both in PC and Xbox. This means that the Xbox and Switch portion of FY23 "other sofware" should be smaller than in FY22.

In FY22 "other revenue" (67,725M yen, $433,89M) Bungie is counted for the whole FY22, unlike in their PC revenue graph ($250). And the eplanation is longer, but the TLDR is that out from $676.4M we estimate that under $100M are from Xbox+Switch and they made on PC over $500M/$550M but won't know it exactly.

Also, assuming Helldivers did 8M until March 31 and more stuff, we also estimated that PC ports also increased YoY during Q4FY23, as did Q1FY23 and Q2FY23. Reason of being slightly down in Q3FY23 is because they didn't release nothing there for PC when in Q3FY22 they had released Uncharted Legacy of Thieves, Sackboy and Spider-Man Miles Morales plus a couple months before they had released Spider-Man Remastered.

Regarding margins, these ports of old games costed them around a couple million dollars each and many of them generated dozens of millions of dollars, the margins are huge. Even the lowest selling game, Sackboy, has been profitable because they only need around 60K copies sold to make a port profitable. And some of these ports old over 2 or 3 million copies until now.

The ROI is huge and multi-year growth too. Because these ports are releaed at a very expensive price considering they are old games, meaning they have a long lifetime regarding sales because over time with discounts they keep selling for longer. So as they keep piling ports on top of their catalog the total revenue keeps growing, not only due to new releases but also due to sales from catalog games.

This is the funniest post.

Tell me you know nothing of the end game without telling me.

Pointing out how PS PC port are & labeling it as growth is funny asf because it’s such short term thinking.

PS doesn’t makes its 30B in revenue or its 2-3 billion in profit from 1st party. Pointing how successful PS PC port don’t mean anything

You seem to not realize PS isn’t a publisher PS is a storefront. PS = storefront not PS = publishing

There’s a reason Nintendo take legal action against anyone who harms there ip or console (storefront) without Nintendo ip there’s no hardware & no hardware means no storefront & no storefront means Nintendo would be at mercy at other storefront.

Say Nintendo & PS where 3rd party publisher & release there games day n date on PC & Mobile like what has been shown with Apple against Epic Games who is a 3rd party publisher when your a third party publisher your at mercy of other hardware closed gardens.

Apple said you wana cause problems & put risk on our storefront your getting kick & fortnite is no longer on IOS epic games is at mercy because they release there games & epic games don’t have hardware or a strong storefront & now has to be Apple bitch & get on there knees while they loose relevance on mobile & loose hundreds of million.

Back to PS, PS business comes from selling 3rd party like Steam, Apple & Nintendo. The money maker is being a storefront not diminishing your own platform & storefront & making other storefront better (which is what these PS PC port are) no amount of extra “profit” & “growth” is worth it if that “profit” & “growth” is coming at the cause & diminishing of your own platform & storefront. Because if on the PS storefront I can only get eggs but on steam I can get eggs & bacon steams storefront becomes the defacto way to make purchases in the market which is gaming.

Similar to how Amazon is the defacto platform/storefront to make purchase of any kind. Because it’s wide library of selling any & every product that competitors would sell on Amazon any other platform/storefront because obsolete & irrelevant.

Steams knows this & is why they won’t ever release there games on any other platform.

Nintendo knows this & is why they won’t ever release there games on any other platform.

Apple knows this & is why they won’t ever release there games on any other platform.

Netflix knows this & is why they won’t ever release there shows on any other platform.

Sony/PS doesn’t knows this

MS/Xbox doesn’t know this

WB/Max doesn’t know this

Companies that don’t understand this never reach there max potential nor the top competitors

The endgame is the everything platform & the everything storefront like Amazon but for entertainment/games those being PC & Mobile (reason Valve made Steamdeck it’s a PC but allows you to take it anywhere like Mobile) the only platform that’s at the everything platform & storefront is mobile you can make calls open a browser take pictures open banks order food/essentials watch entertainment play mobile games the only thing stopping Mobile (iOS & android) from becoming the defacto everything platform & storefront is its ability to not play AAA console & PC games which is slowly changing with iPhone 15. If iPhone IOS could play AAA console & PC games & had Xbox, PS, Nintendo & Steam you wouldn’t need a console or PC you would have 1 device that does everything & anything making console & PC obsolete & irrelevant pieces of hardware.

Sony shouldn’t be doing PC port they should be dropping its storefront wall to allow all & any game publisher or game studio to publish games on PS storefront. PS should be getting all mobile studios to publish all mobile games on PS & allowing all apps you see on IOS to be downloaded & used on PS hardware yes that means opening a bank app food/shopping app allow me to take picture using the PS console allow me to make calls using a PS console (push PS console to become hybrid handhelds). Drops PS storefront walls to get all mobile, PC & app developer on PS storefront. This is the true profit & growth. Sony does this & consumers wouldn’t need to buy any other piece of hardware. At the end it all comes to the exclusive games & entertainment you have permanently exclusive to your platform & storefront because that’s the only thing that can differentiate yourself from other platform & storefront nothing else will differentiate yourself from a competitor & releasing games on other competitors platform & storefront doesn’t makes defacto & have profit & growth long term.

Publishing will always be limited and have a limit to profit & growth & that profit & growth is found by cutting fat which is what you see 3rd party publisher do. But you know what you don’t see a limit to profit & growth & cutting the fat of personal to ensure they can continue to hit record profits & growth Valve/Steam to a lesser extent Amazon because they own other divisions outside a storefront like mgm, twitch etc. Valve/Steam growth is not limited & has endless growth. Why? because Valve/Steam is 99.9 a storefront company there the defacto gaming storefront in PC they hardly publish & likely make more profits then PS. Valve/Steam in the next 50+ years will continue to see record profit & growth because there main focus is a storefront & as more publisher & studios oh push on Steam storefront that has become defacto they’ve get 30% from all transactions & more publisher or studios that publishes on Steam more profit & growth they’ll seem. But if Steam publish CSGO, DOTA onto mobile or console there Steam storefront will no longer be as strong & defacto at it is which no strong platform & strong defacto storefront = less & diminishing profits & growth. All Steam has to do is do nothing while competitors self destruct chasing short term profit & growth instead of playing the long endgame & making there platform & storefront become the everything platform/storefront

 

[Box]

Blatantly false. Gen Z is even more technologically illiterate than the previous gen. It's all about the phones for them. If it's not on the phone, forget about it.

Source: trust me bro

Tekken isn't played by your typical Fifa and Fortnite player tho. Most Fifa players in particular are super casual who don't even follow the gaming media. They don't care about any of this stuff we're talking about on forums.

Look at Fifa YoutUbers who get million of views reviwing ultimate team packs. They are the same just more focused on a single game. My friends have 200 hours on each fifa game and nothing else.

 

[SuperPotato]

Look at Fifa YoutUbers who get million of views reviwing ultimate team packs. They are the same just more focused on a single game. My friends have 200 hours on each fifa game and nothing else.

Fifa Youtubers don't represent the vast majority of Fifa players and many of those Youtubers are on Playstation.

Your question was about casual Fifa players. Why would a casual guy who only plays Fifa once in a while bother with a Gaming PC when he could just get a console for much less money and play the game there without having to worry about potencial PC related issues?

You really believe those people think about Sony first party games going to PC? They don't give a shit.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Sony is not to blame there. Just rockstar for capping the game at 30 and not patching it.

Poor Sony, they can never do anything, they are just forced to pay to put RDR2 on PS+ without being able to speak or negociate with their partners... pathetic.

They even have their own API but cant bother intercepting calls to make a system wide solution for this kind of stuff. PlayStation players are always put last and taken for granted like a bunch of suckers.

 

[Neversummer]

Yes, i do know but Fifa for example doesn't just work out of the box on the Steam Deck, since it isn't a Deck verified game. It requires Windows and the EA app to run. A casual player who only plays Fifa, COD and Fortnite won't bother with this crap. He'll just buy a console and call it a day.

True. The only reason sport games aren’t on PC is due to mods. How you sell a yearly game that’s essentially a roster update when you can just mod it free. Sports games will likely never ever be on PC or become main staples

It’s likely the fifa, cod casuals buys a console that plays those games + exclusive permanent games. So a casual would buy a Nintendo console for it’s exclusive + cod, fifa, 2K & then have a Steamdeck for pc games & if hypothetical if PS went day n date or continue doing pc ports Steamdeck would offer PC & PS games. Casuals will lean more to Nintendo then PS as PS no longer has true exclusive & PS also missed a lot of pc games.

As much as i would think casuals of being oblivious they are still consumer that will do there part to save $ & seek value. Sure not all but a fair amount of casuals will do.

 

[Nhomnhom]

You're too optimistic to believe timed exclusives will still be a thing by PS6 Day/date for single player games is happening soon, next year at the latest. And Sony will be confused why the PS6 has the worst launch sales since PS3.

This year with Until Dawn remake most likelly.

 

[SuperPotato]

Why would a casual Fifa and COD player care if Sony first party games are day and date on PC? These people buy consoles for the price and convenience.

Steam Deck is extremely niche. That thing is more expensive than a PS5, not available in most retail stores and COD/Fortnite/Fifa don't even work natively out of the box. Day 1 on PC is irrelevant to most casuals.

The main reason why Xbox is dying is due to Microsoft not giving a crap. Here in Europe, every single UEFA champions league game is plastered with Playstation ads and Sony actually has good localization support. I haven't seen an Xbox ad in over a decade and their localization is terrible. Many EU countries don't even have native language support, it's all done by AI. Day 1 PC releases isn't the main reason why their sales are at an all time low here.

 

[arvfab]

Why would a casual Fifa and COD player care if Sony first party games are day and date on PC?

First party games going day 1 on PC is a huge deal among the gaming community

You gave yourself the answer. If the friends of those who don't care, are people who care and decide that's it not worth investing further in the PS ecosystem, they might all switch platform together. Happened before, there is no reason why it couldn't happen again.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Very pro consumer of Sony, if you play these games on PC instead o PlayStation:
- You save $80 per year from not having to pay for online and cloud saves.
- You save $400~$500 from not having to buy a PS5.
- You save $60 per game if you opt not to pay for them like most people playing these games on PC.