The Doomers and Gloomers, Sony is dying thread.

quest4441

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I think the PS6 will be $599. Eating a 150-200$ initially is more palatable if you can get to scale in manufacturing to bring down costs during the secondary production runs. They never hoped for the pro to reach scale and want to make profit on the base price itself instead of on software.

All this is based on silicon prices not increasing further, TSMC can increase prices further, china can invade taiwan, maybe a nuclear war happens. Who knows what will happen in 4-5 yrs time.
 
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I think the PS6 will be $599. Eating a 150-200$ initially is more palatable if you can get to scale in manufacturing to bring down costs during the secondary production runs. They never hoped for the pro to reach scale and want to make profit on the base price itself instead of on software.

All this is based on silicon prices not increasing further, TSMC can increase prices further, china can invade taiwan, maybe a nuclear war happens. Who knows what will happen in 4-5 yrs time.
600 bucks with the controller(possible), disc drive sold separately. Based off the trends of Sony. Their gunning for wallets now. No more subsidizing. Xbox has bowed out. Time for the bend over.
 
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I think the PS6 will be $599. Eating a 150-200$ initially is more palatable if you can get to scale in manufacturing to bring down costs during the secondary production runs. They never hoped for the pro to reach scale and want to make profit on the base price itself instead of on software.

All this is based on silicon prices not increasing further, TSMC can increase prices further, china can invade taiwan, maybe a nuclear war happens. Who knows what will happen in 4-5 yrs time.
Sony is not in the position to eat the cost of anything, their margins are tight already
 
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Why would they need to release a new console when the real money is on games. We millennials and gen X got too used to having new consoles every 5 to 8 years with massive improvement in tech, but that is not possible anymore.

Taking into account how long it's taking to release new games, I would love things to slow dawn and next gen to be released in 2032.
 

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Can we talk about how reddit is such a hotbed for anti-playstatiom rhetoric and fanaticism?

Constant garbage posts like this that get upvoted en masses with misinformation multiple times every single day across practically every video game subreddit. It's nonstop



Sony literally releases the highest rated game of the year last week (Astro Bot): "PS5 has no games"

Sony publishes the former best selling game of the year (Helldivers 2): "PS5 has no games"

Sony partners for second highest rated game of the year (FFVII Rebirth): "PS5 has no games"

Current best selling game console exclusive to PS5 because of Xbox hardware limitations (Wukong): "PS5 has no games"

It's nonstop and the comments are pure trash. The site is a shithole
 
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Remember_Spinal

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Can we talk about how reddit is such a hotbed for anti-playstatiom rhetoric and fanaticism?

Constant garbage posts like this that get upvoted en masses with misinformation multiple times every single across practically every video game subreddit. It's nonstop



Sony literally releases the highest rated game of the year last week (Astro Bot): "PS5 has no games"

Sony publishes the former best selling game of the year (Helldivers 2): "PS5 has no games"

Sony partners for second highest rated game of the year (FFVII Rebirth): "PS5 has no games"

Current best selling game console exclusive to PS5 because of Xbox hardware limitations (Wukong): "PS5 has no games"

It's nonstop and the comments are pure trash. The site is a shithole


Reddit might be catching up to icon era
 
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Can we talk about how reddit is such a hotbed for anti-playstatiom rhetoric and fanaticism?

Constant garbage posts like this that get upvoted en masses with misinformation multiple times every single day across practically every video game subreddit. It's nonstop



Sony literally releases the highest rated game of the year last week (Astro Bot): "PS5 has no games"

Sony publishes the former best selling game of the year (Helldivers 2): "PS5 has no games"

Sony partners for second highest rated game of the year (FFVII Rebirth): "PS5 has no games"

Current best selling game console exclusive to PS5 because of Xbox hardware limitations (Wukong): "PS5 has no games"

It's nonstop and the comments are pure trash. The site is a shithole

This shows the damage having crossgen games did to the PS5. New console is out? Great, then the old one goes into the trash where it belongs! That's how it was and how it always should be.
 

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Can we talk about how reddit is such a hotbed for anti-playstatiom rhetoric and fanaticism?

Constant garbage posts like this that get upvoted en masses with misinformation multiple times every single day across practically every video game subreddit. It's nonstop



Sony literally releases the highest rated game of the year last week (Astro Bot): "PS5 has no games"

Sony publishes the former best selling game of the year (Helldivers 2): "PS5 has no games"

Sony partners for second highest rated game of the year (FFVII Rebirth): "PS5 has no games"

Current best selling game console exclusive to PS5 because of Xbox hardware limitations (Wukong): "PS5 has no games"

It's nonstop and the comments are pure trash. The site is a shithole

The anti-PlayStation hivemind is why I ultimately stopped going to the gaming leaks and rumors sub, back when I was still using Reddit. I'm no stranger to criticizing PlayStation, but that's because, as a lifetime PlayStation gamer, I want to see them do better and actually treat their players with some respect like they used to. I'm not sure how gaming leaks and rumors is these days, but it used to be non-stop people talking about how they couldn't wait for Xbox to buy up the whole 3rd party landscape and bleed PlayStation dry because Sony is worse than the devil and M$ is the righteous saint who will save gaming with their glorified rental service. Seeing that rhetoric but not being able to do anything about it because the mods would ban you for calling it out because "no console wars" was too much.
 

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What about the PS5 Pro ($699) version?
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Can we talk about how reddit is such a hotbed for anti-playstatiom rhetoric and fanaticism?

Constant garbage posts like this that get upvoted en masses with misinformation multiple times every single day across practically every video game subreddit. It's nonstop



Sony literally releases the highest rated game of the year last week (Astro Bot): "PS5 has no games"

Sony publishes the former best selling game of the year (Helldivers 2): "PS5 has no games"

Sony partners for second highest rated game of the year (FFVII Rebirth): "PS5 has no games"

Current best selling game console exclusive to PS5 because of Xbox hardware limitations (Wukong): "PS5 has no games"

It's nonstop and the comments are pure trash. The site is a shithole

Lol it got removed now
 

voke

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Can we talk about how reddit is such a hotbed for anti-playstatiom rhetoric and fanaticism?

Constant garbage posts like this that get upvoted en masses with misinformation multiple times every single day across practically every video game subreddit. It's nonstop



Sony literally releases the highest rated game of the year last week (Astro Bot): "PS5 has no games"

Sony publishes the former best selling game of the year (Helldivers 2): "PS5 has no games"

Sony partners for second highest rated game of the year (FFVII Rebirth): "PS5 has no games"

Current best selling game console exclusive to PS5 because of Xbox hardware limitations (Wukong): "PS5 has no games"

It's nonstop and the comments are pure trash. The site is a shithole

Ironically enough, top comment is for Sony to port Bloodborne to PC
 

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lol PS5 sales collapsed in japan, its joever in japan. Sony have ceded their home country, Thanks Yoshida and Totoki

PS5 Pro’s price reveal causes gaming PC retailers in Japan to go all out on competitive deals
 
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Sony is not in the position to eat the cost of anything, their margins are tight already

This is false; they can eat the margins, the high-suit executives and CEOs just don't want to because they want more money lined in their pockets.

The way the console gaming business has always been structured is, you take a small hit on hardware sales or just have thin profit margins, but make the majority of your profits through B2P software sales and, nowadays, subscriptions, MTXs, etc.

That's also been one of the main reasons consoles have been able to stave off attempts by idiotic regulators to become open platforms and have competing storefronts on them. When your business model mainly relies on subsidizing the hardware (to get it to as many millions as possible) and recouping the costs on other things (including peripherals), you have a solid case as the platform holder to retain a closed platform where you retain full vertical integration.

So if Sony are going to pursue a model going forward where they push for huge profit margins on hardware, no longer subsidize the costs, then they shouldn't be surprised if and when regulatory bodies force them to allow alternate storefronts on PlayStation consoles. Because they won't have the excuse of the traditional model anymore to back them up, especially with hardware costing in the territory of mid-range PCs (especially once you factor in the costs for PS+ and typical game prices over the gen).

Nintendo would still be safe from that type of forced action because they can leverage the fact the majority of game sales on their hardware is their own software, but Sony never had that luxury, therein regulators would tell them to consider what's best for 3P and push the open platform policy unto them. Microsoft will just try getting ahead of it by making Xbox essentially a PC in the business model, but probably tie access to alternate storefronts to some Game Pass tier to try leveraging Game Pass as a means of pseudo-subsidization. Sony could technically try for similar by tying alternative storefront access to a PS+ subscription, but this is where the kicker comes in.

See, all of the alternative storefronts have Windows versions, so all MS really has to do is add extensions to Xbox OS to run the Windows code those storefronts need, on Xbox hardware and that's a large part of the work done. They wouldn't really need, say, Valve, to make a specific Steam app for Xbox. Sony, OTOH, don't have an OS where these other storefronts are already available. Meaning, they'd have to get Valve, Epic, GOG etc. to make builds for their OS, incurring additional time and costs on those companies. They would most likely take up the task due to potential money from PlayStation customers, but it'd still require more work vs. the Microsoft approach.

So on paper both Sony & Microsoft could have similar alternative storefronts with a similar means of access tied to them (subscription tie-in), but then Sony are still at a disadvantage because taking this more open-platform route means Microsoft can also leverage Windows apps to run on Xbox devices, and there are a LOT of Windows apps for entertainment, productivity, business etc. Now is that type of functionality extended to Xbox going to appeal to a wide assortment of gamers? Potentially no. But there are niches who will be interested in those. Sony has no OS in the PC space where there's a vast network of applications to pull from, but they do make some productivity software on Windows. In theory, then, they could just build ports of that software for the PlayStation OS and provide them potentially as perks to various PS+ subscription tiers.

Also worth noting, if that future is pushed onto console makers, they will probably also be "forced" to get rid of paid online. Not because regulators demand it, but because it'd just be a bad look for them to still require paid online locked behind a subscription paywall when taking on a more PC-like business model, knowing online is free on PC.
 
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i'm not a cry baby either, i know the price for the PS5 Pro is correct, all i'm saying is that the casual market will be way more reluctant to spend $700/$800 on a console, that's all

True but the Pro specifically isn't meant for the casual market.
 

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PS5 Pro’s price reveal causes gaming PC retailers in Japan to go all out on competitive deals
I know but the problem is the 4060 , well the 60 cards in general are pretty bad. They wont get you to the 1440 or 1080 60 fps in many cases that pc gamers generally want. The 70 series cards are where the jam is. The 50 and 60 series are a waste and you would better off buying a console.

Playstation has bigger problems in japan than pc picking up steam. They completely ceded the country in the mid to late ps 4 gen. When BoTW and odyssey did those numbers alarm bells should have started to ring but they just glossed over it. Now unless Nintendo completely fucks up PS can never have the presence in Japan they had during ps2 and 3.

They need a miracle, a spectacular handheld and a visionary game designer to ever get back to the heights of ps2 in japan.

Edit: Now Sony has a decision to make, Either completely wash their hands of japan and take a gamble on China becoming a market that brings 3-5x revenue for them or laydown the groundwork to make a comeback in japan for ps7. The latter option will earn goodwill by a country mile
 
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I know but the problem is the 4060 , well the 60 cards in general are pretty bad. They wont get you to the 1440 or 1080 60 fps in many cases that pc gamers generally want. The 70 series cards are where the jam is. The 50 and 60 series are a waste and you would better off buying a console.

Playstation has bigger problems in japan than pc picking up steam. They completely ceded the country in the mid to late ps 4 gen. When BoTW and odyssey did those numbers alarm bells should have started to ring but they just glossed over it. Now unless Nintendo completely fucks up PS can never have the presence in Japan they had during ps2 and 3.

They need a miracle, a spectacular handheld and a visionary game designer to ever get back to the heights of ps2 in japan.
impossible with these bean counters. they won't sign on a decade plan if it means way way less profit.
 

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This is false; they can eat the margins, the high-suit executives and CEOs just don't want to because they want more money lined in their pockets.

The way the console gaming business has always been structured is, you take a small hit on hardware sales or just have thin profit margins, but make the majority of your profits through B2P software sales and, nowadays, subscriptions, MTXs, etc.

That's also been one of the main reasons consoles have been able to stave off attempts by idiotic regulators to become open platforms and have competing storefronts on them. When your business model mainly relies on subsidizing the hardware (to get it to as many millions as possible) and recouping the costs on other things (including peripherals), you have a solid case as the platform holder to retain a closed platform where you retain full vertical integration.

So if Sony are going to pursue a model going forward where they push for huge profit margins on hardware, no longer subsidize the costs, then they shouldn't be surprised if and when regulatory bodies force them to allow alternate storefronts on PlayStation consoles. Because they won't have the excuse of the traditional model anymore to back them up, especially with hardware costing in the territory of mid-range PCs (especially once you factor in the costs for PS+ and typical game prices over the gen).

Nintendo would still be safe from that type of forced action because they can leverage the fact the majority of game sales on their hardware is their own software, but Sony never had that luxury, therein regulators would tell them to consider what's best for 3P and push the open platform policy unto them. Microsoft will just try getting ahead of it by making Xbox essentially a PC in the business model, but probably tie access to alternate storefronts to some Game Pass tier to try leveraging Game Pass as a means of pseudo-subsidization. Sony could technically try for similar by tying alternative storefront access to a PS+ subscription, but this is where the kicker comes in.

See, all of the alternative storefronts have Windows versions, so all MS really has to do is add extensions to Xbox OS to run the Windows code those storefronts need, on Xbox hardware and that's a large part of the work done. They wouldn't really need, say, Valve, to make a specific Steam app for Xbox. Sony, OTOH, don't have an OS where these other storefronts are already available. Meaning, they'd have to get Valve, Epic, GOG etc. to make builds for their OS, incurring additional time and costs on those companies. They would most likely take up the task due to potential money from PlayStation customers, but it'd still require more work vs. the Microsoft approach.

So on paper both Sony & Microsoft could have similar alternative storefronts with a similar means of access tied to them (subscription tie-in), but then Sony are still at a disadvantage because taking this more open-platform route means Microsoft can also leverage Windows apps to run on Xbox devices, and there are a LOT of Windows apps for entertainment, productivity, business etc. Now is that type of functionality extended to Xbox going to appeal to a wide assortment of gamers? Potentially no. But there are niches who will be interested in those. Sony has no OS in the PC space where there's a vast network of applications to pull from, but they do make some productivity software on Windows. In theory, then, they could just build ports of that software for the PlayStation OS and provide them potentially as perks to various PS+ subscription tiers.

Also worth noting, if that future is pushed onto console makers, they will probably also be "forced" to get rid of paid online. Not because regulators demand it, but because it'd just be a bad look for them to still require paid online locked behind a subscription paywall when taking on a more PC-like business model, knowing online is free on PC.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if MS decides to open “Windows Mode” for the XSX and allow third-party manufacturers to make third-party addons (the XSX has only 16GB of RAM, but hypothetically you can add additional memory through the slot used for SSD).

Against the backdrop of the XBOX fall, this already looks plausible, and MS will also start advocating and lobbying for similar decisions towards Sony and Nintendo.
 
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Let's make things simple: the doom and gloom could stretch to nvidia and AMD if Huawei keeps on doing what's it's doing. The success Wukong could spark a new race from China to make a super console that priced as much as PS6 and as powerful as high-end PC's when it's released. They're already working on 3nm.