The Doomers and Gloomers, Sony is dying thread.

ToTTenTranz

Veteran
Icon Extra
4 Aug 2023
1,585
1,646
Let's make things simple: the doom and gloom could stretch to nvidia and AMD if Huawei keeps on doing what's it's doing. The success Wukong could spark a new race from China to make a super console that priced as much as PS6 and as powerful as high-end PC's when it's released. They're already working on 3nm.
China's semiconductors aren't going anywhere relevant without ASML scanners, and those are never going to SMIC.
China's semiconductor business is a money sink.
 
20 Jun 2022
1,022
1,472
38
Salalah, Oman
China's semiconductors aren't going anywhere relevant without ASML scanners, and those are never going to SMIC.
China's semiconductor business is a money sink.

Not sure if you're keeping up with the news. They're already making their own 5nm and heading to 3nm. Even the Huawei Ascend 910B is reported to be better in AI than nVidia's failed A100. Have you seen the new Huawei XT trifold phone?
 

quest4441

Veteran
27 Feb 2024
2,155
2,542
Not sure if you're keeping up with the news. They're already making their own 5nm and heading to 3nm. Even the Huawei Ascend 910B is reported to be better in AI than nVidia's failed A100. Have you seen the new Huawei XT trifold phone?
most of that is chinese astro turfing, have you been to china? They exaggerate a lot, huawei is a joke and if trump wins he is going to go after them again
 
20 Jun 2022
1,022
1,472
38
Salalah, Oman
most of that is chinese astro turfing, have you been to china? They exaggerate a lot, huawei is a joke and if trump wins he is going to go after them again

You Got It Ok GIF
 
  • haha
Reactions: Ezekiel

anonpuffs

Veteran
Icon Extra
29 Nov 2022
10,496
11,938
Not sure if you're keeping up with the news. They're already making their own 5nm and heading to 3nm. Even the Huawei Ascend 910B is reported to be better in AI than nVidia's failed A100. Have you seen the new Huawei XT trifold phone?
"failed" A100? they're making money hand over fist lol
 

ToTTenTranz

Veteran
Icon Extra
4 Aug 2023
1,585
1,646


Sideloads Steam or sideloads anything because it's a Windows machine with a x86 CPU running Win32 executables?

If we're talking about a $1000 subsidized PC that is powerful enough, then the conversation will indeed be very different. Especially now that Sony is essentially declaring they're not subsidizing hardware anymore.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bo_Hazem

On Demand

Veteran
Icon Extra
30 Jul 2022
1,858
3,016

People always give MS the benefit of the doubt even though they’ve been trying every last thing for over 10 years. Xbox brand is not appealing. Nothing is going to work for them.

Sony will not let their games be playable on Xbox through Steam. People are delusional to keep believing this.

They would rather remove all their games from Steam. Which actually would be a good thing so I hope MS is planning to do that. 😈 😀
 

ethomaz

Rebolation!
21 Jun 2022
12,087
9,805
Brasil 🇧🇷
PSN ID
ethomaz
I didn't find a thread to post it so I will here to the doomers discuss :D



When you strike a Live Service game... all the previous failures feels like nothing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: peter42O

peter42O

Veteran
12 Jan 2024
1,315
1,178
I don't see Steam/Epic being on the next Xbox console but then again, I also didn't see Microsoft ever acquiring a publisher and they did with Bethesda and the biggest of them all ABK so anything is possible. I believe both next gen consoles will be $800. PS5 Pro is $700 before including a brand new CPU and at least 24GB of RAM even though they should both go for 32GB of RAM as it will be needed.

The cheap alternative will be the portable from Microsoft/Sony. $500. OLED screen would be my guess. Same CPU and RAM but a weaker GPU since the output would be native 1080p. This is just what I believe both will do because as seen by the current price for the base models, the price increases worldwide and the $600 price tag for the 2TB XSX and the $700 price tag for PS5 Pro, I believe both companies are simply done taking any kind of loss and if they do, it's going to be minimal.

The $600/$700 consoles from Microsoft/Sony tells me, get fucking ready for higher prices at launch with next generation.
 

J_Paganel

Active member
30 Jan 2024
216
254
29
I have XSX, PS5, Steam Deck, and PC (i7-6700, GTX1070, 16gb RAM),

Now I'm thinking if I should invest in a new PC to save some money from inflation, would that be a good option? Now games on PS are too expensive, as well as on XSX.

Especially since Sony is now treating PS5 owners like pigs for milking, while PC players have become first-class citizens.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X TRAY;
MB: ASUS TUF Gaming A520M-Plus II (TUF Gaming A520M-Plus II) (Socket AM4, AMD A520, Micro-ATX);
RAM: Crucial DDR4 32GB (2x16) Pro DDR4-3200 UDIMM CL22 (8Gbit/16Gbit) (CP2K16G4DFRA32A);
SSD: SSD GoodRam Sata 2.5" 256Gb CX400 Gen.2 240 250 (SSDPR-CX400-256-G2)
SSD Crucial m.2 NVMe 1TB P3 CT1000P3SSD8 960 1024 (CT1000P3SSD8)
CPU Cooling: Be quiet! Pure Rock Slim 2 (BK030);
PS: Chieftec Polaris 650W (PPS-650FC);
GPU: ASUS RTX 4060Ti 16GB PROART OC (PROART-RTX4060TI-O16G) (GDDR6, 128 bit, PCI-E 4.0 x8);
 

ToTTenTranz

Veteran
Icon Extra
4 Aug 2023
1,585
1,646
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X TRAY;
MB: ASUS TUF Gaming A520M-Plus II (TUF Gaming A520M-Plus II) (Socket AM4, AMD A520, Micro-ATX);
RAM: Crucial DDR4 32GB (2x16) Pro DDR4-3200 UDIMM CL22 (8Gbit/16Gbit) (CP2K16G4DFRA32A);
SSD: SSD GoodRam Sata 2.5" 256Gb CX400 Gen.2 240 250 (SSDPR-CX400-256-G2)
SSD Crucial m.2 NVMe 1TB P3 CT1000P3SSD8 960 1024 (CT1000P3SSD8)
CPU Cooling: Be quiet! Pure Rock Slim 2 (BK030);
PS: Chieftec Polaris 650W (PPS-650FC);
GPU: ASUS RTX 4060Ti 16GB PROART OC (PROART-RTX4060TI-O16G) (GDDR6, 128 bit, PCI-E 4.0 x8);

Seems fine enough, but two things:

- A520 motherboard will only support NVMe PCIe Gen3, i.e. your M.2 SSDs will never run above ~3.7GB/s. I would get a B550 that isn't much more expensive and supports NVMe Gen4.

- The RTX4060 Ti 16GB has a very poor price/performance ratio. I would either go with a 7800XT 16GB that would be above the PS5 Pro in rasterization performance at similar price, or preferably wait for the RDNA4 cards later this year that have a more advanced architecture than the PS5 Pro.



EDIT: Another low cost-ish upgrade you can do is to go with the 5700X3D which is significantly better in games and costs $50 more. Though the 5700X is already well above the PS5 Pro's CPU.
 
  • Like
Reactions: J_Paganel

anonpuffs

Veteran
Icon Extra
29 Nov 2022
10,496
11,938
Seems fine enough, but two things:

- A520 motherboard will only support NVMe PCIe Gen3, i.e. your M.2 SSDs will never run above ~3.7GB/s. I would get a B550 that isn't much more expensive and supports NVMe Gen4.

- The RTX4060 Ti 16GB has a very poor price/performance ratio. I would either go with a 7800XT 16GB that would be above the PS5 Pro in rasterization performance at similar price, or preferably wait for the RDNA4 cards later this year that have a more advanced architecture than the PS5 Pro.



EDIT: Another low cost-ish upgrade you can do is to go with the 5700X3D which is significantly better in games and costs $50 more. Though the 5700X is already well above the PS5 Pro's CPU.
Also the A520 won't give pcie4 lanes to the gpu. I honestly would not suggest a low tier build like this. Wait for rdna4 or Blackwell.
 

J_Paganel

Active member
30 Jan 2024
216
254
29
Seems fine enough, but two things:

- A520 motherboard will only support NVMe PCIe Gen3, i.e. your M.2 SSDs will never run above ~3.7GB/s. I would get a B550 that isn't much more expensive and supports NVMe Gen4.

- The RTX4060 Ti 16GB has a very poor price/performance ratio. I would either go with a 7800XT 16GB that would be above the PS5 Pro in rasterization performance at similar price, or preferably wait for the RDNA4 cards later this year that have a more advanced architecture than the PS5 Pro.



EDIT: Another low cost-ish upgrade you can do is to go with the
Also the A520 won't give pcie4 lanes to the gpu. I honestly would not suggest a low tier build like this. Wait for rdna4 or Blackwell.

which is significantly better in games and costs $50 more. Though the 5700X is already well above the PS5 Pro's CPU.
Thank you for your advice.

I changed MB to a more relevant one (ASUS PRIME B550M-A/CSM (Prime B550M-A/CSM).

As for the Ryzen7 5700X3D, it's $100 more expensive. Unfortunately I have a very bad experience with AMD GPUs, so I wouldn't want to take a risk with 7800XT )

Maybe the money will go to other things and I'll wait for the Nvidia 5xxx, but the rough configuration is already ready and it remains only to buy it if i want.
 
Last edited:

anonpuffs

Veteran
Icon Extra
29 Nov 2022
10,496
11,938
Thank you for your advice.

I changed MB to a more relevant one (ASUS PRIME B550M-A/CSM (Prime B550M-A/CSM).

As for the Ryzen7 5700X3D, it's $100 more expensive. Unfortunately I have a very bad experience with AMD GPUs, so I wouldn't want to take a risk with 7800XT )

Maybe the money will go to other things and I'll wait for the Nvidia 5xxx, but the rough configuration is already ready and it remains only to buy it if i want.
Modern AMD GPUs are fine, I use one personally. They just lack DLSS which is a killer feature and the only thing holding them back from being 100% competitive
 
  • Like
Reactions: ToTTenTranz