The drama over 30fps gaming

[Gediminas]

Sure it does. Even if it is your preference.

You’re choosing to play the game in a worse way for visual improvements that aren’t noticeable.

Frame rate is even more tangible due to its affect on latency.

It’s not worth it.

what a stupid argument. if you don't see different, does not mean others don't. (especially if we take different screen sizes)
if you think it is not worth it, it is your opinion. you don't need to be an ass for it. state your preferences and done with it.

 

[Katajx]

Let me start by saying that I'm primarily a PC gamer, and then play some games on my PS5 and Nintendo Switch, so this opinion should be considered at the very least platform agnostic. That said, why do I mean with "the drama over 30fps gaming"?

Well, even though most of my gaming is done at 60fps or higher, as I have a 144hz monitor, I find that there has been a narrative created against consoles, which have usually preferred graphics over framerate, that games running at 30fps are "unplayable". From mentions of motion sickness to having a hard time adjusting to "paltry framerates", a lot has been said in what I feel is an attempt to detract from console games - when the issue with low framerates causing motion sickness are usually tied with input delay, which can trick your senses and cause said MS.

Yes, some games are definitely more enjoyable at higher framerates, like FPS, Racing and Beat-em-up, but I have personally never met IRL someone that claimed that 30fps destroy their experience and that they refuse to run games with that framerate. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but seems like these claims have been blown out of proportion as some sort of statement that consoles are inferior. They are not, they are cheap boxes that are worth more than the sum of their parts and provide a quick and easy way to experience games that even someone that can barely open Wordpad should be able to enjoy.

Finally, I must say I have no problems adjusting to lower or higher framerates on the fly, and will usually prefer eye candy over higher framerates, unless the higher framerates option provides a comparable experience graphics wise. This is why I'm a big proponent for upscaling technology on new console games (and even PC games) instead of the asinine focus on native 4k experiences - Give us the frame goodness with the added eye candy.

Do you agree with my assessment?

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Are they playable? Yes. My favorite example is playing the Demon’s Souls remake. After you try the high fps setting the “resolution” mode feels slow and janky. I can’t do it.

 

[Gediminas]

Are they playable? Yes. My favorite example is playing the Demon’s Souls remake. After you try the high fps setting the “resolution” mode feels slow and janky. I can’t do it.

Best thing, FPS mode graphics had barely visible differences from resolution mode. It was no brainer. Barely any games can achieve that. Bluepoint pulled rabbit out of the bag with this one.

 

[Darth Vader]

Are they playable? Yes. My favorite example is playing the Demon’s Souls remake. After you try the high fps setting the “resolution” mode feels slow and janky. I can’t do it.

That's more related to input delay than actual frame rates.

 

[rofif]

Are they playable? Yes. My favorite example is playing the Demon’s Souls remake. After you try the high fps setting the “resolution” mode feels slow and janky. I can’t do it.

yeah Demons Souls perhaps started a trend of devs completely either botching or not understanding 30fps.
They probably made the game in 60fps and then just slapped terrible extremely laggy 30fps cap on it.

For your information: DF found (what I felt the first day I played DSr and compared to BB on ps5) that Demons remakeat 30 is 75ms slower than BB.

They exaplain this somewhere at the end of the video. There is a reason why bloodborne plays so awesome for only 30fps game even despite frame pacing.
To me, it honestly feels way better than des 30fps

 

[ethomaz]

Best thing, FPS mode graphics had barely visible differences from resolution mode. It was no brainer. Barely any games can achieve that. Bluepoint pulled rabbit out of the bag with this one.

That has more do to with not making a proper 30fps mode than anything.
The GPU is being sub utilized in Demon's Souls 30fps mode and the input lag is crazy high.

 

[Vertigo]

what a stupid argument. if you don't see different, does not mean others don't. (especially if we take different screen sizes)
if you think it is not worth it, it is your opinion. you don't need to be an ass for it. state your preferences and done with it.

I say “fools” in jest and look at all these triggered clowns who resort to actual personal attacks.

I’ll post however the fuck I want. Thanks

Plenty of people make stupid choices. Drug addicts for example. Choosing 30 FPS over 60 when you have the option is also … stupid

 

[Sircaw]

what a stupid argument. if you don't see different, does not mean others don't. (especially if we take different screen sizes)
if you think it is not worth it, it is your opinion. you don't need to be an ass for it. state your preferences and done with it.

Slightly of topic but

 

[Darth Vader]

Plenty of people make stupid choices. Drug addicts for example. Choosing 30 FPS over 60 when you have the option is also … stupid

Why are you upset that someone prefers 30 over 60fps?

 

[ethomaz]

I say “fools” in jest and look at all these triggered clowns who resort to actual personal attacks.

I’ll post however the fuck I want. Thanks

Plenty of people make stupid choices. Drug addicts for example. Choosing 30 FPS over 60 when you have the option is also … stupid

That is not true at all... there are pro and cons in the choice.
So anything you choose you can call smart because you are choosing the mode that best fits your needs.

I prefer 30fps in most games with exceptions of these that have a really bad 30fps mode.

I should say that in Multiplayer or FPS I trend to prefer 60fps but I remembered that the best gunplay in my gaming life was a 30fps game... Destiny... so it should be a bit contradictory.

 

[Vertigo]

That is not true at all... there are pro and cons in the choice.
So anything you choose you can call smart because you are choosing the mode that best fits your needs.

Even we were to have a debate about this.

So let’s say from an immersion angle. I would argue those resolution or post processing visual gains are marginal if not barely noticeable on current gen machines. The bigger immersion improvement would be frame rate against such. Aside from a still shot worlds look better at the higher frame rate. It’s definitely more immersive even in that regard.

So to function best at a game from both immersion and gameplay I don’t see the reasoning for choosing 30fps for ray tracing. It’s not worth the loss in frame rate.

I don’t care if someone agrees with this or not. I’ll take 30fps when I have to. Hell I took Metroid Dread looking like it was displayed to me with a Vaseline filter setting on my tv.

But when the choice is there… never go 30… disgusting

 

[ethomaz]

Even we were to have a debate about this.

So let’s say from an immersion angle. I would argue those resolution or post processing visual gains are marginal if not barely noticeable on current gen machines. The bigger immersion improvement would be frame rate against such. Aside from a still shot worlds look better at the higher frame rate. It’s definitely more immersive even in that regard.

So to function best at a game from both immersion and gameplay I don’t see the reasoning for choosing 30fps for ray tracing. It’s not worth the loss in frame rate.

I don’t care if someone agrees with this or not. I’ll take 30fps when I have to. Hell I took Metroid Dread looking like it was displayed to me with a Vaseline filter setting on my tv.

But when the choice is there… never go 30… disgusting

Better framerate definitively doesn't look better.
4k 30fps with bells and all looks fucking insane to play.

To be fair with you... most high framerate games this gen for PS5 looks really poor.
The 120fps modes looks terrible bad.

BTW I have high suspicions that UE5 best graphic features will be only at 30fps and with a way lower resolution than 4k.
The hope and wishes are that top hardware PC can do 60fps with games to be made in UE5 using all the features.

 

[Swift_Star]

I say “fools” in jest and look at all these triggered clowns who resort to actual personal attacks.

I’ll post however the fuck I want. Thanks

Plenty of people make stupid choices. Drug addicts for example. Choosing 30 FPS over 60 when you have the option is also … stupid

. You’re being extremely disrespectful over people’s choices and preferences because somehow you think your choices and preferences are superiors. But guess what, they’re not. Now respectfully fuck off and stop insulting a group of people for liking different stuff than you.

 

[Gh0stnTheBashShell]

Ill always take 60 over 30, don't really care about the preference. If I could get every game on PS5 at 1080p/60/120 I'd love that

 

[Vertigo]

. You’re being extremely disrespectful over people’s choices and preferences because somehow you think your choices and preferences are superiors. But guess what, they’re not. Now respectfully fuck off and stop insulting a group of people for liking different stuff than you.

Only ones being disrespectful are those throwing direct insults at me like yourself. Did I personally target anyone. Nope, not until directed at me.

I say something in jest and you want to virtue signal for those that foolishly choose marginal gains in resolution over 60 FPS on current gen hardware. You’re quite the hero.

Of course it’s is a poor choice. Not my problem if people make the wrong decision. Plenty of preferences can be … stupid. For instance, liking Disney Star Wars.

Don’t throw stones from glass houses when you’re the one being a prick.

 

[ethomaz]

Huh 4K streaming on my tv looks miles ahead than 1080p streaming ever did on my previous tv.

I can't say about all streaming services but Netflix 4k looks worst than Blu-ray 1080p for example in my 4k TV.
It is really really bad (maybe for me but others probably won't bother and think it is all right... well but my Father notified when changed to 4k TV so I don't know).

 

[Swift_Star]

Only ones being disrespectful are those throwing direct insults at me like yourself. Did I personally target anyone. Nope, not until directed at me.

I say something in jest and you want to virtue signal for those that foolishly choose marginal gains in resolution over 60 FPS on current gen hardware. You’re quite the hero.

Of course it’s is a poor choice. Not my problem if people make the wrong decision. Plenty of preferences can be … stupid. For instance, liking Disney Star Wars.

Don’t throw stones from glass houses when you’re the one being a prick.

Calling people fools are personal insults. So don’t play the victim card and learn to respect other peoples choices and preferences.

 

[Gh0stnTheBashShell]

I can't say about all streaming services but Netflix 4k looks worst than Blu-ray 1080p for example in my 4k TV.
It is really really bad (maybe for me but others probably won't bother and think it is all right... well but my Father notified when changed to 4k TV so I don't know).

Well that's just facts that 4K streaming has worse image quality than BluRay

 

[Darth Vader]

I remember seeing pure unadulterated 1080p raw footage captured directly from a studio cam. It's better than most "4k" content out there, even some in Blu Ray.

We're talking professionally captured 1080p raw footage with cinema grade cameras, of course.

 

[Gediminas]

I can't say about all streaming services but Netflix 4k looks worst than Blu-ray 1080p for example in my 4k TV.
It is really really bad (maybe for me but others probably won't bother and think it is all right... well but my Father notified when changed to 4k TV so I don't know).

Because bit rate is shit and you see shit even if it is 4k.