Videocardz: PC GPU shipments decline 38% YoY

[Yurinka]

Is that not due the mining hype ending?

I'd bet that the reason is this combined with the recently too expensive prices.

 

[Satoru]

Oh, if you say that in some places, people will come with pitchforks for you.
It's really bizarre how some pc players really like to pretend you can get a console like experience on PC that will last the whole generation for the price of a console.

Absolutely. They remind me of high end smartphone buyers comparing them to entry level phones and saying "oh it's much better!". Of course it is, you paid 4 or 5 times the price, did you expect it to be worse?

 

[anonpuffs]

You could never get an experience that is comparable to that of consoles on a similar budget if you consider the whole rig, even before all the mining stuff.

During the ps4/xbo generation it was easy to do that. If we had dennard scaling in pc parts still we would be at the point where we could do it today, but again amd and nvidia are greedy as fuck.

 

[Satoru]

During the ps4/xbo generation it was easy to do that. If we had dennard scaling in pc parts still we would be at the point where we could do it today, but again amd and nvidia are greedy as fuck.

When the gen was 4 or 5 years old? Sure.

 

[anonpuffs]

When the gen was 4 or 5 years old? Sure.

Right, time goes forward...

*edit* 6700xt is $300 on ebay right now, a 3700x is $100. You can build a comparable system specwise right now for about 6-700 from used parts.

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

Right, time goes forward...

*edit* 6700xt is $300 on ebay right now, a 3700x is $100. You can build a comparable system specwise right now for about 6-700 from used parts.

I always say this: PCs at console specs are not worth it. You go higher or buy a console. When a game is demanding on console, the PC with same specs will eat a brown shit.

 

[Satoru]

Right, time goes forward...

*edit* 6700xt is $300 on ebay right now, a 3700x is $100. You can build a comparable system specwise right now for about 6-700 from used parts.

600 or 700 is not 500

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

Right, time goes forward...

*edit* 6700xt is $300 on ebay right now, a 3700x is $100. You can build a comparable system specwise right now for about 6-700 from used parts.

I would not buy a used SSD, but to each his own.

A PC is not just a CPU + GPU combo.

and when used PS5s start to appear can we use these prices as comparison?

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

600 or 700 is not 500

I just thought about it. He assumes that Ram+PSU+MB+case +Windows= $200

 

[Deleted member 417]

Why have a high end PC? there's no games for it that justify the price

 

[anonpuffs]

I just thought about it. He assumes that Ram+PSU+MB+case +Windows= $200

Easily.
B450 motherboard $50 incl. shipping from ebay. 16gb ddr4-3200 $42 from newegg. Thermaltake 550w psu 80+ bronze $50 from newegg. Windows 10 pro $15 from key site. Used atx case $30 incl shipping from ebay.

600 or 700 is not 500

The problem is that the people who are willing to put $1000s+ per year into their hobby is a small minority and the ecosystem can't sustain itself off just those people. So we need low end and budget pc parts to get people who are willing to spend $600-1000 to buy an experience that is comparable to or slightly better than a console specwise just so they can stream their fortnite matches to their 5 follower twitch streams.

Problem?

 

[rofif]

Not very surprising with crazy skyrocket gpu pricing.
To be hones, even 500$ is a lot just for a gpu and nowadays you would not get more than a mid or last gen mid for that price.
And state of pc ports/dx12 does not help the matters. It's also a reason I am getting new games for ps5

 

[Satoru]

I just thought about it. He assumes that Ram+PSU+MB+case +Windows= $200

And HDD or Ssd

 

[anonpuffs]

And HDD or Ssd

1tb gen 3 m.2 ssd $50 on amazon. This is just with 1 minute of searching. If I really wanted to go hardcore I could go looking on alibaba and get even better deals. I mean it's not that serious... pc parts get cheaper with time. It's inevitable.

 

[Satoru]

1tb gen 3 m.2 ssd $50 on amazon. This is just with 1 minute of searching. If I really wanted to go hardcore I could go looking on alibaba and get even better deals. I mean it's not that serious... pc parts get cheaper with time. It's inevitable.

Used or slow speed SSD compared to the one in the PS5. A comparable M2 SSD from not knock off brands starts at 70 to 80.

Edit: dollars is not my currency

 

[anonpuffs]

Used or slow speed SSD compared to the one in the PS5. A comparable M2 SSD from not knock off brands starts at 70 to 80.

Edit: dollars is not my currency

No games even use the full power of the ps5 ssd. And I'd argue that "comparable" does not mean exactly equal. Windows/directx in itself will mean the pc will need ~10% better specs to match performance in equally optimized games. The point is, people aren't really going to notice a 3-4s load time vs 1-2s in ps5, and the stuff that truly leverages p5 i/o will be exclusive to ps5 anyway.

The point isn't to say "haha my $600-700 pc can beat your $500 console" the point is to say "how much would a person need to spend to get a pc with roughly equivalent specs/performance to a ps5". Because idk if you've noticed but a lot of kids want pcs so they can have their own little youtube/twitch streams.

 

[Satoru]

No games even use the full power of the ps5 ssd. And I'd argue that "comparable" does not mean exactly equal. Windows/directx in itself will mean the pc will need ~10% better specs to match performance in equally optimized games. The point is, people aren't really going to notice a 3-4s load time vs 1-2s in ps5, and the stuff that truly leverages p5 i/o will be exclusive to ps5 anyway.

The point isn't to say "haha my $600-700 pc can beat your $500 console" the point is to say "how much would a person need to spend to get a pc with roughly equivalent specs/performance to a ps5". Because idk if you've noticed but a lot of kids want pcs so they can have their own little youtube/twitch streams.

Yes, comparable doesn't mean equal. But the argument was that you can get a comparable PC to a console for a similar price, no? Well, you can't. That's the crux of the problem. From a value standpoint, the PS5 and Series X are better than any PC you can build.

 

[ksdixon]

Oh, if you say that in some places, people will come with pitchforks for you.
It's really bizarre how some pc players really like to pretend you can get a console like experience on PC that will last the whole generation for the price of a console.

Wait, people say that? That's ridiculous, unless the games stagnate and don't need higher/better components by gen's end. But I think we're past that era, if some of the latest games PC requirements are to go by.

Why not actually pimp the benefits of pc gaming? Like community mods and fixes etc.

 

[anonpuffs]

Yes, comparable doesn't mean equal. But the argument was that you can get a comparable PC to a console for a similar price, no? Well, you can't. That's the crux of the problem. From a value standpoint, the PS5 and Series X are better than any PC you can build.

not at all, I even bolded and highlighted my previous post for you. ICYMI:

So we need low end and budget pc parts to get people who are willing to spend $600-1000 to buy an experience that is comparable to or slightly better than a console specwise

There is no need to continue arguing against a PCMR strawman when I didn't even bring it up.

 

[Satoru]

During the ps4/xbo generation it was easy to do that. If we had dennard scaling in pc parts still we would be at the point where we could do it today, but again amd and nvidia are greedy as fuck.

When the gen was 4 or 5 years old? Sure.

There is no need to continue arguing against a PCMR strawman when I didn't even bring it up.

Sure you didn't, buddy. I'm just imagining things.

And I'm not sure what you mean by PCMR strawman.