What would it take for y'all to be ok with PlayStation on PC?

[JAHGamer]

These PC bros drinking from the Delulu fountain, I too have a decentish PC with a 3070 but most people don't realize that Steam users are very cheap, most don't buy games Day 1, The numbers these people boast about Capcom PC numbers are made up of 50% off discount purchases an year down the line. You can go look at any new AAA game's discussions - it is full off people complaining about 70$ price, regional price, denuvo, anticheat and n number of other things. The irony is they spend truckloads of money on hardware put spending more than 30$ on software is Anathema to them.

Spot on…thank you, these guys are all just Xbox fanboys who switched to PC in recent years. They have no real clue what the PC landscape is like, I also have a pretty decent PC and have been gaming on PC for decades. It’s not remotely the same audience as those on console and it never will be, nothing wrong with that either.

90% of my IRL friend group all game exclusively on PC, none of them care about consoles AT ALL. All the PC weirdos obsessed with the console space are pathetic Xbox refugees coping and want to see PS die just like Xbox did.

 

[Gediminas]

Spot on…thank you, these guys are all just Xbox fanboys who switched to PC in recent years. They have no real clue what the PC landscape is like, I also have a pretty decent PC and have been gaming on PC for decades. It’s not remotely the same audience as those on console and it never will be, nothing wrong with that either.

90% of my IRL friend group all game exclusively on PC, none of them care about consoles AT ALL. All the PC weirdos obsessed with the console space are pathetic Xbox refugees coping and want to see PS die just like Xbox did.

there will be more and more people like that.

 

[rinzler]

Why don't you go do some real research before typing a post? A 10-pack of 4K Blu-Ray discs, sold for profit, is $63 USD.

Sony 10-Pack 128 GB BD-R XL

Now just do some very basic math: what is $63.47 divided by 10? ~ $6.35 each disc. Sold for profit, mind you, these are NOT the manufacturing costs for Sony. You can roll off a dollar for the packaging costs of the 10 discs, as well.

A 30% cut off a $50 port to Steam is $15. Now, which number is bigger? $6.35, or $15? The answer is $15. It is more than 2x larger than $6.35. And like I just said, real manufacturing cost of that Blu-Ray disc is cheaper than $6.35, because the $6.35 is the for-profit cost.

The fact you couldn't look this up suggests you've done little research on the other points you're trying to staunchly defend.

What does the manufacturing cost? What does the packaging cost? What does the shipping cost? What does the retailer get as a cut?

You clearly didn't think any of this through.

 

[rinzler]

So piracy on PC is all good, a non issue, but physical media is what is hurting Sony? So much BS...

This is what I'm saying, these guys just want PlayStation, a console they clearly don't like to die or to become as irrelevant as Xbox.

Just go play your low budget PC games and forget about PlayStation.

Who said that lol? This is a set of thoughts completely incongruent with anything I've said. I want them to use Denuvo because I know it's harmless to systems not riding the line at minimum specifications, and I own a PlayStation 5.

You guys seem so level headed in these conversions until you're just not.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Just another reminder that PC is a dying platform that regularly sells the lowest copies for major multiplatform titles.

Steam is absolutely dead in the water without PS5 to prop it up. Devs needs consoles for AAA experiences.

UK 2023 |PS5:1.2m, NSW: 720k, XBS: 650k| PS commands 49% market share/Xbox only 10%. PS5 up 55% and Xbox down 14% Flipbook info added.

Updated 3/7/24 Flipbook info added https://flipbook-livid.vercel.app/deploy/examples/assets/pdf/book.pdf https://www.gamesindustry.biz/uk-pc-and-console-sales-grew-26-in-2023-uk-annual-report-1 A big year for PS5, but sales drops elsewhere 2.38 million games consoles were sold...

icon-era.com

 

[rinzler]

Just another reminder that PC is a dying platform that regularly sells the lowest copies for major multiplatform titles.

Steam is absolutely dead in the water without PS5 to prop it up. Devs needs consoles for AAA experiences.

UK 2023 |PS5:1.2m, NSW: 720k, XBS: 650k| PS commands 49% market share/Xbox only 10%. PS5 up 55% and Xbox down 14% Flipbook info added.

Updated 3/7/24 Flipbook info added https://flipbook-livid.vercel.app/deploy/examples/assets/pdf/book.pdf https://www.gamesindustry.biz/uk-pc-and-console-sales-grew-26-in-2023-uk-annual-report-1 A big year for PS5, but sales drops elsewhere 2.38 million games consoles were sold...

icon-era.com

 

[xollowsob]

I want them to use Denuvo because I know it's harmless to systems not riding the line at minimum specifications

You want software companies to install software in games to force people who have otherwise working hardware, to upgrade?
Even though the software offers you no advantage?

 

[rinzler]

You want software companies to install software in games to force people who have otherwise working hardware, to upgrade?
Even though the software offers you no advantage?

It doesn't affect me or the other 95th percentile so it's a necessary evil to combat piracy.

 

[Old Gamer]

It doesn't affect me or the other 95th percentile so it's a necessary evil to combat piracy.

The rootkit Capcom installs on your PC alongside SFVI is probably also a fair tradeoff in your opinion, I guess. Your PC has high specs, so you'll never notice it.

 

[Old Gamer]

Denuvo Really Does Cripple PC Gaming Performance

www.extremetech.com

 

[Cool hand luke]

Literally debunked. The stats for 2023 in the UK show PC on death's door. The argument for that chart (unsourced) is that the UK (6th largest economy in the world) is entirely different from the rest of the world.

 

[xollowsob]

It doesn't affect me or the other 95th percentile so it's a necessary evil to combat piracy.

The war against piracy is going about as well as the war against drugs.

How do you justify screwing other people over for 0 gain, that has no effect on you, that doesn't hurt illegal owners, only legal ones?

Imagine buying a game, only for it to install anti-privacy software and then be unable to play purchased game because drm tanks the performance. Then imagine defending that idea.

 

[xollowsob]

The stats for 2023 in the UK show PC on death's door

 

[rinzler]

The war against piracy is going about as well as the war against drugs.

How do you justify screwing other people over for 0 gain, that has no effect on you, that doesn't hurt illegal owners, only legal ones?

Imagine buying a game, only for it to install anti-privacy software and then be unable to play purchased game because drm tanks the performance. Then imagine defending that idea.

It affects people running hardware at the very bottom of the barrel, stuff released years and years, and years ago that was low/mid tier even when new.

My care meter is zero.

 

[xollowsob]

It affects people running hardware at the very bottom of the barrel, stuff released years and years, and years ago that was low/mid tier even when new.

My care meter is zero.

It can't be that bottom of the barrel if it could play new games without the 30% perf decrease.

You're advocating for companies to use software to force hardware upgrades. A stance that leaves the needle on your IQ meter at zero.

 

[rinzler]

It can't be that bottom of the barrel if it could play new games without the 30% perf decrease.

You're advocating for companies to use software to force hardware upgrades. A stance that leaves the needle on your IQ meter at zero.

30% is ridiculous hyperbole lol, also chill with the ad hominem.

 

[Nhomnhom]

You guys seem so level headed in these conversions until you're just not.

Disc based games are probably a larger loss to Sony than the cut Valve takes for the same games on Steam. Adding to this used game sales net them $0.

You either don't understand anything about PlayStation or you are just another PC troll. PlayStation would be long gone without discs, specially now that they are on of the last things PlayStation has that PC doesn't.

If PC is so good why do you need these PS5 games that all just end up being major flops on PC? What do you get out of it?

If this is the way PlayStation wants to go out, cool, they more than deserve it. Nintendo will love to occupy that space.

 

[rinzler]

You either don't understand anything about PlayStation or you are just another PC troll. PlayStation would be long gone without discs, specially now that they are on of the last things PlayStation has that PC doesn't.

If PC is so good why do you need these PS5 games that all just end up being major flops on PC? What do you get out of it?

I understand very clearly, it's you who can't seem to formulate an actual response to the argument.

Do you think this is all free or something lol? Who's paying for the manufacturing? Who's paying for the shipping? Who's paying the retailers?

That $70 probably turns into $40 by the time it's sold making the concept of PC cut basically indiscernable from the physical market.

 

[Nhomnhom]

I understand very clearly, it's you who can't seem to formulate an actual response to the argument.

Do you think this is all free or something lol? Who's paying for the manufacturing? Who's paying for the shipping? Who's paying the retailers?

That $70 probably turns into $40 by the time it's sold making the concept of PC cut basically indiscernable from the physical market.

So you think Nintendo should go digital only too? Should Nintendo also port all their games to PC? They are losing a lot of money by not doing it right?

You are not fooling anybody, you want Sony to repeat the exact same mistakes Xbox made so that they'll be out of business as fast as possible.

What more do you want from PlayStation? A port of every game isn't enough, you also need those games to be on Steam, you need them to stop releasing physical games on consoles, you need them not to release a console that costs more than $500, what else do you demand?

 

[rinzler]

So you think Nintendo should go digital only too? Should Nintendo also port all their games to PC? They are losing a lot of money by not doing it right?

You are not fooling anybody, you want Sony to repeat the exact same mistakes Xbox made so that they'll be out of business as fast as possible.

What more do you want from PlayStation? A port of every game isn't enough, you also need those games to be on Steam, you need them to stop releasing physical games on consoles, you need them not to release a console that costs more than $500, what else do you demand?

Explanation isn't a list of demands, you're acting emotional over this for whatever reason and it's perplexing.

The cost to Sony selling a game at physical retail is no doubt in almost perfect step with the financial retention they get from a digital distribution platform such as Steam.

Everyone has to get paid.