Why Are People Happy That Concord Is Failing?

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A lot of PS fans want single player games from SIE. Some want revival of Killzone, Socom, or MAG etc.
F2P alternatives exist, the character design, pronouns, identity politics.
This sums it up pretty much.

A complete misread of the market in multiplayer live service by both Firewalk & Sony. And Sony ignorance in reviving beloved multiplayer franchise that would have higher chance of success then Concord.

Imagine a F2P SOCOM (it can have a singleplayer)

Imagine a F2P Killzone in the veins of Star Wars Battlefront 2 2017 galactical assault with class base “heroes” assault, support, tank with hvv style heroes. Players get points by killing enemy & use those points to pick different class base heroes or vehicles.

Imagine a PS Allstars 2 F2P using beloved PS/Sony & 3rd party ips. PS front row fighting game for EVO.

Instead we got Concord that was doa when they first reveal it.
 

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Imagine a F2P SOCOM (it can have a singleplayer)

Imagine a F2P Killzone in the veins of Star Wars Battlefront 2 2017 galactical assault with class base “heroes” assault, support, tank with hvv style heroes. Players get points by killing enemy & use those points to pick different class base heroes or vehicles.
Dude you are asking for too much, these all take work and effort. Sony wanted a easy, lazy knockoff GaaS game and hoped people will mindlessly consume whatever drivel they are served.
 
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This game is way too late to the party + ugly designs + the Sony doomer cultists.
Sony was better having this game only on PS console or a PS PC launcher (which all of there games should be exclusive to a PS storefront anyways if there going to do ports) In general not sure what firewalk & Sony thought would happen.

A hero shooter w ugly characters + adding pro nouns that would 100% trigger people & put a target in your back day 1 while also charging $40 & telling consumers of live service this live service games doesn’t have a battlepass or item shop to buy cool cosmetic (which is a bad thing to not have for a live service/multiplayer social game) not to mention no rank mode day 1 which further makes concord a game that’s not worth investing into. Why would someone drop apex, fortnite, cod, overwatch that have esports future while concord a pvp game doesn’t have anything mention about it.

It’s like firewalk forgot that pvp multiplayer games are supposed to be social, cool, fast pace, cool cosmetics, F2P low barrier & thrive from people seeing a future in investment & rank/esports play a major role in getting people to jump ship or atleast try a new multiplayer game
 

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Why Are People Happy That Concord Is Failing?
Because some people hate Sony / PlayStation

The speaker says that Sony fans hate Concord because it represents a transition on the part of Jim Ryan to live service games.
Jim Ryan never said they were going to transition to live service games. He announced that they planned to have a dozen IPs with live service games, most of which already were in the works.

Old school PlayStation fans hate Concord because it represents everything they hate about modern AAA games. Concord is a game that is only green lit because developers were hoping or Executives were hoping that it would pop off even though it had basically no chance of doing that.

People loved Destiny 2, MLB, GT7 and Helldivers 2, and also other recent 3rd party live service games like ZZZ or First Descendant.

And most of the most played ones on PS and PC like EAFC, eFootball, NBA2K, Fall Guys, Rocket League, Asphalt Legends, Dota 2, Naraka, GTA Online... are also GaaS. Fortnite, PUBG, Apex Legends, Rainbow Six, CS, CoD, Valorant, Overwatch etc are also GaaS MP shooters.

So Concord's issue is not being a GaaS or a shooter.

He also says that Concord represents a huge colossal waste of time and money and resources from a company that has seen their output of the products customers actually want drop precipitously.
Its cost must have been the same of similar games, nothing leads to think it's particularly big. And their output is totally fine, they have like a dozen games planned fo have been released this year.

Do you agree?
No. If some people is happy of Concord tanked is because they are haters who hate Sony or because the game had specific things of the they didn't like, at least to the point of leaving other games to move to this.

The price isn't also an issue because people didn't go for it in the free beta, the $40 did wonders for Helldivers 2 and most of the MP shooters who are top in the market also are -or started as- paid games.

In the technical side the game is more than solid and very polished, most areas are very well done, not worse than many top players of this game type: theme & setting, gunplay, game flow, monetization, game modes, mechanics and progression design, art, animation, music, UI/UX, cutscenes, fps, visuals in general, servers stability & online quality...

So having ruled out being a GaaS, a MP shooterl, its pricing or these technical areas I'd say the main issues of the game are:
  • Character design and story made on purpose not appealing for around 90%+ of the demographics of this subgenre, when to love the characters is something key for this subgenre, like in others like fighting games etc.: they focused instead on filling wokism/DEI checklists and trying to be specially ugly, bland, uncharismatic or unappealing for white, heterosexual and male (which happens to be around 90%+ of the userbase of these subgenres).
  • Not enough differentiation with something that stands out versus the top players of this subgenre. Lacked more personality to differentiate from the others making players to choose it over the rest because does something way better or in a new and more cool way than the other ones. It has some small new good idea here and there, but they are small details. Not important enough to say "hey I'm bored to play that mode in the other games and I prefer to play this new one because it's more fun" or "I love this new artstyle an visuals compared to the others", "this characters are more cool than the ones in the other games"
I think to add diversity is positive when makes sense in terms of game theme/setting (in this particular case fits), when done respectfully (not in the typical woke propaganda case of white males being only portrayed as bad guys and there are scenes than in terms of story don't tell anything other than being 'a-ha' scene showing that some female/non-binary/diverse characters are smarter/stronger/more skilled than the evil white males). I think diversity is also positive if done in a way that appeals to big enough audience inside that niche/submarket to sustain that project.

I also think than to take references that work from successful games also helps to make a game solid, but on top of that you have to add your own things, sauce and style, doing some things in a different (or way better) way that makes the game more appealing than the competition to the people who plays the game, to feel unique and cool instead of ugly, boring and generic.
 
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This sums it up pretty much.

A complete misread of the market in multiplayer live service by both Firewalk & Sony. And Sony ignorance in reviving beloved multiplayer franchise that would have higher chance of success then Concord.

Imagine a F2P SOCOM (it can have a singleplayer)

Imagine a F2P Killzone in the veins of Star Wars Battlefront 2 2017 galactical assault with class base “heroes” assault, support, tank with hvv style heroes. Players get points by killing enemy & use those points to pick different class base heroes or vehicles.

Imagine a PS Allstars 2 F2P using beloved PS/Sony & 3rd party ips. PS front row fighting game for EVO.

Instead we got Concord that was doa when they first reveal it.

You've really never noticed that almost all multiplayer hits are new IP?

IP works on single player gamers, not multiplayer gamers.
 

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Dude you are asking for too much, these all take work and effort. Sony wanted a easy, lazy knockoff GaaS game and hoped people will mindlessly consume whatever drivel they are served.
If Sony isn’t gonna explore the F2P model with specifically pvp games but even pve games they need to cancel everything cause most of there multiplayer games will fail from people being not wanting to take the risk of wasting $40.

Fairgames should be F2P. If that game is $40 that will fail. He’ll even look at The Finals which is F2P & it barely holding on.

Horizon monster hunter should be F2P. Essentially be a monster hunter for a young generation in ways similar to dauntless w a better art style & more simplistic gameplay then monster hunter he’ll even a raid similar to Destiny would be interesting for a horizon monster hunter game.

Marathon should be F2P.

Essentially PS should become similar to Riot. Also making these games F2P would allow them to push the PS PC launcher with these live service games by making them exclusive (just like riot) no one on PC is going to reject a PS PC launcher if Horizon monster hunter, Ghost Sushi live service component & other live service games.
 

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Fairgames should be F2P. If that game is $40 that will fail. He’ll even look at The Finals which is F2P & it barely holding on.
The Finals is averaging 12k on Steam and probably another 8k on console. How is 20k average CCU "barely holding on"?
 
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So Concord's issue is not being a GaaS or a shooter.
Concord died because it was a generic hero shooters with nothing special + ass hero design
The price isn't also an issue because people didn't go for it in the free beta, the $40 did wonders for Helldivers 2 and most of the MP shooters who are top in the market also are -or started as- paid games.
Price was definitely a problem. People knowing it was a $40 hero shooter made them already dismiss the concord beta cause most people knew that game was doa not to mention the slew of other downsides I mention before.

Helldivers is also a completely different game then concord. Helldivers 2 is a 4 player coop pve game with nothing like it being in the market while concord is like many other shooters but for $40 + ass hero design.

You add Hoyoverse or Demon slayer (anime) characters, make it F2P, have item shops + battlepass & a rank mode day 1 & that game would be an automatic success. Marvel rivals is a 1 to 1 clone of Overwatch but it’s F2P, has cool cosmetic, rank mode & bad ass hero design using the marvel license & it will be a massive success.

Kinda agree w mighty keef that if PS wanted a hero shooter they should’ve used a existing ip like The Boys, Demon Slayer or a hero shooter using PS/Sony ip + 3rd party ip like a smash style game but hero shooter.
 

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The Finals is averaging 12k on Steam and probably another 8k on console. How is 20k average CCU "barely holding on"?
For a F2P fps 20K across all platforms is pretty dire.

Helldivers 2 on PS & PC have a daily 30K to 50K ccu while being $40 & a PVE game which is much nicher then a game like the finals that’s a fast pace fps + it being F2P

Just my opinion
 

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For a F2P fps 20K across all platforms is pretty dire.

Helldivers 2 on PS & PC have a daily 30K to 50K ccu while being $40 & a PVE game which is much nicher then a game like the finals that’s a fast pace fps + it being F2P

Just my opinion
What are you basing your opinion on though? There are F2P games that average 5k users on Steam that get regular updates.

Helldivers 2 is a massive success. Is Jason Kidd a bad basketball player because he's not Michael Jordan?
 

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What are you basing your opinion on though? There are F2P games that average 5k users on Steam that get regular updates.

Helldivers 2 is a massive success. Is Jason Kidd a bad basketball player because he's not Michael Jordan?
Well it depends if your 5k F2P uses a unique art style to keep cost & have less then 50 devs sure they can probably do the math to survive w just 5K players.

But a AAA studio that’s making 2 AAA games w one of there F2P live service on PC pulling under 15K daily ccu is not good signs. That studio probably has like 300-500 devs & what is there studio location at? Cali? Washington? Those places are expensive.
 

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Saw this video and found it to be a succinct address on Why Are People Happy That Concord Is Failing?


The speaker says that Sony fans hate Concord because it represents a transition on the part of Jim Ryan to live service games. Old school PlayStation fans hate Concord because it represents everything they hate about modern AAA games. Concord is a game that is only green lit because developers were hoping or Executives were hoping that it would pop off even though it had basically no chance of doing that.

He also says that Concord represents a huge colossal waste of time and money and resources from a company that has seen their output of the products customers actually want drop precipitously.


There’s a lot more detail, but he summarises quite accurately my feelings towards the game. Do you agree?


This video came up in my YouTube feed yesterday but I didn't even bother to watch this trash. He's wrong, the only reason the game isn't selling is because it's woke. The end.
 

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This video came up in my YouTube feed yesterday but I didn't even bother to watch this trash. He's wrong, the only reason the game isn't selling is because it's woke. The end.
Or, maybe, just maybe, the target audience is so small? So, the game is selling, just to the target audience.
I know, mind blowing stuff.
 

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This is a furry tps f2p game from an indie dev, even this has got more interest than concord. Even from a cursory glance the anthropomorphic characters seem to have more of a personality than discount yondu and blue tellytubby
 
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This is a furry tps f2p game from an indie dev, even this has got more interest than concord. Even from a cursory glance the anthropomorphic characters seem to have more of a personality than discount yondu and blue tellytubby

I mean both PS / Xbox and PC games destroyed Concord. Everyone knows about Concord as you can just check YouTube and every big channel is slandering the game constantly as these videos rack up a lot of views... They and you guys poisoned the well for this game... And then turn around and act like the game itself just came out and it fell on its face because no one was simply not interested.

Unfortunately we live in an era where people like to be told what to like and play... What's good or bad without ever trying for themselves. Where gamers are happy sitting watching games being played instead of playing...

Yes Sony and FireWalk also fucked up but the gaming. Community as a whole ganged up on this game, and it simply never stood a chance
 

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As someone who will never play Concord, I believe that while it's not a bad game by any means, it is a mediocre game with horrible character designs that simply doesn't do anything new, unique or innovative in a market that is overcrowded and oversaturated.
 
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Why is live service the future? If everything is live service wouldn’t some capitalise on the void?

I dont think its the future.
Its always been around and lots of young people like it. Its never ever gonna disappear. And just like Single Player games, its gonna grow.

There are always gonna be 150+ million people who like Single Player games. And growing as there are always new gamers. Single player games are always gonna be my main gaming.

Theres also always gonna be new people going MP/Gaas games.. Fortnite has like 1million players a day, then theres GTA and others.

People who think its gonna replace SP are delusional, there are always gonna be huge SP fans and lots of money to make. But we’ve always had decades of gaming where millions of people only play games like World or Warcraft, FF online, Fifa and COD. Its just all growing now because of games like Fortnite, GTA etc
 
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As someone who will never play Concord, I believe that while it's not a bad game by any means, it is a mediocre game with horrible character designs that simply doesn't do anything new, unique or innovative in a market that is overcrowded and oversaturated.

But arent so many games overcrowded, oversaturated and dont bring anything new to the genre? But are still fine.

Funny enough there is nowhere near the amount of Hero shooters as there are open world games, jrpgs, moba’s, others shooters that all do the same thing too with a different look and story.

Concord has more than medicore gameplay, most reviews have said its good. But horrible character designs, and lack of content for $40 is a killer. But Id say the biggest killer is the online community due to its bad character designs and pronouns etc.
 

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Most gamers hate woke ( apart from the bias ) .
Alot of PS fans hate the word gaas

Also fanboys of other platforms/ps hater will just add fuel to the fire
Yup, pc folks hate “woke”. PS folks hate “live service”. Combine the 2 and you get………Concord.
Then toss in xbox grifters and grifters in general and you get this outcome, a circle jerk of haters and juveniles.