With Xbox dead and Nintendo relegated, is Sony going after Steam next?

[Etifilio]

i hope, they will get reality check sooner than later.

they are at Fuck Around stage - Find Out coming..

i still can't believe they've built the absolute perfect strategy with PS4 to simply do an 180 in the succeeding generation, PS5 is lucky to be impulsed by the PS4 and its playerbase, what is happening is that Sony is looking at the charts that show them the majority of players are playing multiplatform games on PlayStation like Fortnite, GTA and Call Of Duty, so they think exclusives don't matter anymore, but they forget, these multiplat games are mainly played by casuals, exclusives are for the more hardcore audicence, and the hardcore audience is the one that spends the most amount of money on the platfom, the casuals will leave tomorrow if they want to, hardcore audience saved the PS3 and made it surpass the 360 for example

 

[Etifilio]

I’m kind of curious how Sony will react when Console sales collapse. Sony needs to sell a lot consoles because Sony gets most of there revenue from there. Sony would be absolutely screwed without PlayStation consoles

they'll want to reverse course but it'll be too late and the damage would be too significant to be dissolved, just look at the Xbox hardware situation right now, it's not reversible anymore, even if they start locking stuff to the console all of a sudden people would just ignore and go with more popular options

 

[Box]

I’m kind of curious how Sony will react when Console sales collapse. Sony needs to sell a lot consoles because Sony gets most of there revenue from there. Sony would be absolutely screwed without PlayStation consoles

Best case scenario would be Apple buying them up and restructuring the entire company. Only Apple can reorganise and Fix Modern Sony

 

[Box]

The entire Company would collapse. That means no more gifts for Sony Pictures & Sony Music. I can't imagine that they're not aware of this

So why the hell are Sony CEO's giving Sony Movies 10 billion dollars while Playstation gets scraps?

Playstation is literally keeping Sony afloat and this is how they treat it? It's ridiculous....

 

[Neversummer]

People still pedalling this bullshit.

Switch 2 games will look like slightly higher res PS4 games. They will be releasing a console using some archaic Nvidia chips in the same year that Nvidia realises the 5000 series headed up by the 5090 and DLSS 4

HFW, GOD Ragnarok, Uncharted 4, TLOU 2, Death Stranding were built during the PS4. If anything you prove my point Switch 2 will have more major 3rd party releases simultaneously & the differences in specs won’t be much + Nintendo has true permanent exclusive you won’t find anywhere else.

Switch 1 has the weakest spec yet outselling PS4 & PS5 & Switch 2 will outsell Switch 1 & outsell PS4, PS5 & PS6 unless Sony reverse course in porting there games to direct competitor platforms.

Nintendo has made there consoles a defacto platform & a defacto platform for publishers to publish there games.

Xbox isn’t a defacto platform for a long time & PS is following the same footstep as Xbox. Can’t blindly ignore the facts when it’s in front of your face this is the direction Sony is taking. I’d say it’s dumb but hey Sony is the one who open Pandora’s box.

 

[Neversummer]

Not true and nobody buys a console for 1 game that just came out and nothing else. The back catalog is important too. PS5 will have none besides PS3 streaming

Other platform holders are still keeping their games that came out last decade but you think Sony games have zero value after 1 year. That shit is straight to the trash according to you.

When Switch 2 is announced with backward compatibility and all your games with better graphics, the ejaculation will be fierce while Sony will be compared with PC ports and maybe 1 exclusive (that will get ported in a few months). What a way to lose momentum

People act like people bought a PS4 for bloodborne or just 1 game when in reality it’s the long list of PS4 exclusive catalogue more importantly first party exclusive that where available in 2014, 2015 & the first party exclusive games that would release in 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 but now people know the cadence of PS ports it’s roughly 6 month for remakes & 1-2 years for AAA games PS5 won’t be effected Sony bought Nixxes in 2021 & people where looking at there cadence the next 2 years now where in 2024 & we completely know PS cadence for its PC port so as we look at the PS6 why would people buy a PS6 when we know the PC port cadence, we know PS console is no longer defacto & has permanent exclusive & Sony themselves are making PC the better platform it’s much cheaper, better performance + a bigger gaming library & overall is a safer platform to invest in the future. If Sony isn’t gonna make there platform/storefront defacto other competitors like Steam & Nintendo will step up & eat away PS market share while PS chase these gamers that don’t care about PS its platform/storefront or its identity.

 

[Neversummer]

i still can't believe they've built the absolute perfect strategy with PS4 to simply do an 180 in the succeeding generation, PS5 is lucky to be impulsed by the PS4 and its playerbase, what is happening is that Sony is looking at the charts that show them the majority of players are playing multiplatform games on PlayStation like Fortnite, GTA and Call Of Duty, so they think exclusives don't matter anymore, but they forget, these multiplat games are mainly played by casuals, exclusives are for the more hardcore audicence, and the hardcore audience is the one that spends the most amount of money on the platfom, the casuals will leave tomorrow if they want to, hardcore audience saved the PS3 and made it surpass the 360 for example

Also these multiplat are hitting the charts because there taking total sales on all platform of you see a game like cod cod mainline games on PS sell 15-20 million just about the same PS games are selling on its platform.

If anything Sony should’ve double down & made more studios have output like insomniac. Santa Monica should’ve split its gow team into 2 mainline gow & spin of gow like gow 1,2,3. Sucker punch works on GOT2 they should’ve added 2 new teams to bring back & work on the inFAMOUS & Sly Cooper franchise both of these can live action & animation & expanded into cross media. Bend studio split into 2 teams bring back Syphon Filter he’ll have them work on SOCOM Guerilla Games split into 2 teams bring back Killzone. Split insomniac Ratchet & Clank team to make 3rd Mario like platformer & or license out ip to 3rd party like Nintendo have the team that remake Mario RPG to remake Wild Arms 1,2,3 in a Wild Arms trilogy remake for $70

More games = more profit
More 1st party = more console sells

 

[Hezekiah]

HFW, GOD Ragnarok, Uncharted 4, TLOU 2, Death Stranding were built during the PS4. If anything you prove my point Switch 2 will have more major 3rd party releases simultaneously & the differences in specs won’t be much + Nintendo has true permanent exclusive you won’t find anywhere else.

Switch 1 has the weakest spec yet outselling PS4 & PS5 & Switch 2 will outsell Switch 1 & outsell PS4, PS5 & PS6 unless Sony reverse course in porting there games to direct competitor platforms.

Nintendo has made there consoles a defacto platform & a defacto platform for publishers to publish there games.

Xbox isn’t a defacto platform for a long time & PS is following the same footstep as Xbox. Can’t blindly ignore the facts when it’s in front of your face this is the direction Sony is taking. I’d say it’s dumb but hey Sony is the one who open Pandora’s box.

This sounds like pure delusion.

By far the biggest third-party game, GTA6 apparently doesn't even a Switch 2 version in development . Who knows when that will come out.

Switch is a portable. If you don't mind playing blurry games upscaled, and at 25fps the Switch can be your defacto platform. The type of people who played Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal on the Switch will be satisfied lol.

The fact is that Switch 2 just like the original will be a secondary platform for many adult gamers, and popular among kids. It will continue to get many late ports, and will miss some third-party games entirely because its CPU and GPU will be well behind even the Series S...in 2025.

 

[Neversummer]

This sounds like pure delusion.

By far the biggest third-party game, GTA6 apparently doesn't even a Switch 2 version in development . Who knows when that will come out.

Switch is a portable. If you don't mind playing blurry games upscaled, and at 25fps the Switch can be your defacto platform. The type of people who played Witcher 3 and Doom Eternal on the Switch will be satisfied lol.

The fact is that Switch 2 just like the original will be a secondary platform for many adult gamers, and popular among kids. It will continue to get many late ports, and will miss some third-party games entirely because its CPU and GPU will be well behind even the Series S...in 2025.

This kinda mindset is what will lead the PS console into its demise.

This the same mindset Sony has, oh Nintendo there the “weak performance children centric console” the reality is Sony is no longer focus on PS & doesn’t double down on there biggest division that makes the most revenue & profits. While other platform holder like Xbox & Nintendo doubles down in gaming.

The reality is the performance gap between Xbox, PS & Nintendo is getting smaller & Nintendo console is getting more & more 3rd party support he’ll they’ll likely get more exclusive games atleast in Asia because they completely dominate Asia. So the gap between performance is getting smaller Nintendo is getting more 3rd party support + there increasing there 1st party studios support & they have permanent exclusive while both Xbox & PS don’t have exclusive first party. Nintendo is making there gaming platform/storefront the defacto pushing out Xbox & PS out of the market while Steam, Apple & Nintendo continue to stack there wall gardens & double down there own platform increasing there market share, profit & solidifying itself as a gaming platform.

Ignoring Nintendo & or belittling Nintendo because of power is major cope when on all stats outside revenue there doing better then all other competitors.

 

[Hezekiah]

This kinda mindset is what will lead the PS console into its demise.

This the same mindset Sony has, oh Nintendo there the “weak performance children centric console” the reality is Sony is no longer focus on PS & doesn’t double down on there biggest division that makes the most revenue & profits. While other platform holder like Xbox & Nintendo doubles down in gaming.

The reality is the performance gap between Xbox, PS & Nintendo is getting smaller & Nintendo console is getting more & more 3rd party support he’ll they’ll likely get more exclusive games atleast in Asia because they completely dominate Asia. So the gap between performance is getting smaller Nintendo is getting more 3rd party support + there increasing there 1st party studios support & they have permanent exclusive while both Xbox & PS don’t have exclusive first party. Nintendo is making there gaming platform/storefront the defacto pushing out Xbox & PS out of the market while Steam, Apple & Nintendo continue to stack there wall gardens & double down there own platform increasing there market share, profit & solidifying itself as a gaming platform.

Ignoring Nintendo & or belittling Nintendo because of power is major cope when on all stats outside revenue there doing better then all other competitors.

You're probably basing this on speculation you have read on Reddit.

Nobody is belittling Nintendo. They sell massively outdated hardware for a profit and that will continue into the future. This idea that the performance gap is getting smaller is made-up nonsense. Switch 2 in performance terms will be miles behind the PS5, never mind PS5 Pro. It's a portable after all. Not to mention if we're going off speculation, Sony is speculated to be working on its own handheld that will run the same games as its home console.

As far as third-party support you have no idea the extent of support will be. And they already dominate Asia so talking about more exclusives is . Especially when Sony is making such a push in the region.

What you're suggesting just sounds like fanboy nonsense - what you hope will happen in the future, not what is likely. Not everybody has the same mindset as you do, you can't bend reality to your will.

 

[Systemshock2023]

Do you still have to input a 57 digit code to add a friend on Nintendo? Are your purchases still tied to hardware and not an account?

 

[Yurinka]

So why the hell are Sony CEO's giving Sony Movies 10 billion dollars while Playstation gets scraps

If you mean the rumored talks with Paramount Global to consider a potential acquisition, Paramount Global generates $30B/year in revenue and $10B/year in gross profit, which is more than what SIE generates.

Since Paramount Global was merged in 2019, they seem to have an issue with their operational costs, which eats that gross profit. By restructuring Paramount Global as Sony Pictures, Music and maybe SIE subsidiaries they could remove a ton of redundancies from there because Sony already would do a huge part of the work Paramount does, plus could eliminate redundancies Paramount already may have. Meaning, Sony could cut huge portion of their operational costs making it way more profitable.

Best case scenario would be Apple buying them up and restructuring the entire company. Only Apple can reorganise and Fix Modern Sony

Sony has no reason to want to sell their company, which as of now is perfectly ok so they don't need to sell it either. And even if Sony would want to sell, we'd have to see if the Japanese government would allow it because Sony is one of the companies listed as one of the national strategical companies to be protected against foreign acquisitions.

They don't need to be fixed, won't sell and even less to Apple.

I’m kind of curious how Sony will react when Console sales collapse. Sony needs to sell a lot consoles because Sony gets most of there revenue from there. Sony would be absolutely screwed without PlayStation consoles

The console market keeps growing, nothing leads to think that the console market would collapse.

And inside the console market, Sony keeps increasing their market share both of the whole console market and particularly against their direct competitor.

Sony's console keeps breaking several records every year either for themselves or for any console maker in gaming history.

Regarding PS5 itself, now it passed its peak year for hardware, its hardware sales like happens in every console as part of their normal lifecycle, they will keep decreasing yearly sales every year and around 2027-2028 a successor will be released, following the same intergenerational transition they always had, with the successor increasing hardware yearly sales every year until the peak year, and then decreasing etc. Meanwhile, PS will continue having record numbers in software revenue, addons revenue, accesories revenue, game subs revenue, off-PS console revenue, etc.

The only thing collapsing here is the Xbox console.

 

[balrogboy]

Btw I still think any PC presence is a terrible idea. It's a dying market with rock bottom software sales for AAA titles (worse than Xbox) and just not worth pursuing. This thread is just here to illustrate that if Sony did go that route, Valve would get steamrolled.

This thread is just here to show that trolls get attention.

 

[Box]

Do you still have to input a 57 digit code to add a friend on Nintendo? Are your purchases still tied to hardware and not an account?

Even the most hardcore Nintendo fanboys won't defend friend codes in 2024

 

[Box]

If you mean the rumored talks with Paramount Global to consider a potential acquisition, Paramount Global generates $30B/year in revenue and $10B/year in gross profit, which is more than what SIE generates

Its not profit though, in fact they have a ton of debt

 

[Systemshock2023]

All companies have debt. Debt is not relevant on P&L unless we are talking about interests on principal.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Its not profit though, in fact they have a ton of debt

You'd think he would've remembered that part before trying to ironically downplay SIE's profits.

All companies have debt. Debt is not relevant on P&L unless we are talking about interests on principal.

He compared Paramount (the entire corporate entity's) profits to SIE's, a subsidiary within Sony Corp. Not a like-for-like.

Yes, Sony Corp like most companies (not Nintendo, btw. Also prob not Valve either, if sticking to gaming) have debt. But AFAIK SIE as a division/subsidiary does not. Even then it's rather dumb to compare a whole company to a division or subsidiary of a larger company as if they're 1:1.

 

[Yurinka]

Its not profit though, in fact they have a ton of debt

Sure Jan, if accoding to you gross profit is not one of the profit types, what do you think it is? A pink monkey maybe?

Debt is a separate thing from revenue and profit. Their debt is around half of the revenue they generate in a year, or their gross profit in a year an a half. And most of it is very long term debt, so there's nothing to worry about this debt. On top of that, if Sony acquires them they could refinance (at least a big part of) it, or even to pay it upfront as part of the acquisition.

What they should have to worry about and address asap (a restructuring as part of an anquisition would be a good moment to do it) are their operating costs, which since 5 years ago with the merge they had back then they are eating the $10B of operating profits they have per year. Something that would be easy for Sony because a lot of work done at Paramount isn't needed because it's already done at Sony.

 

[AllBizness]

Digital Foundry's Alex Batalia was crying in their last vid begging Sony not to release a PC launcher. Now I want Sony to release a PC launcher so I can see all those fanboy tears

 

[Systemshock2023]

Digital Foundry's Alex Batalia was crying in their last vid begging Sony not to release a PC launcher. Now I want Sony to release a PC launcher so I can see all those fanboy tears

Fanboy tears would be guaranteed although I am not sure which side would cry the most. Because some PC gamers hate extra launchers but on the other hand it would mean that Sony is ALL IN and not fooling around.