Phil Spencer admits defeat in console space, and doesn't think great games would help Xbox's market share.

[Swift_Star]

So even Benji, who tries to be super positive for everyone, thinks Phil is wrong here? lol

I think Benji doesn't like to lie to their fanbase, it'd shoot down his credibility.

 

[Swift_Star]

Notice how anytime Japan is mentioned they start with this "away team" and foreigner rhetoric, same thing they told their US senators to say about Sony. How about they actually act like the multi national company they are and hire localization experts in those countries, instead of crying that they're some poor american company that will never be respected. Phil is probably the worse CEO ever, but I'm sure like all CEOs he gets multi million dollar stock bonuses for being so bad at his job.

Pure BS and incompetence. Just look how Japanese people love iPhones and you can't get more american than Apple.

 

[Johnic]

Wow. Imagine the head of a gaming company saying "good games don't make a difference". How is this guy still employed?

What does make a difference? Why do people buy consoles, to browse the web? Watch youtube? Or play games?

Here we have Phil admitting that they don't basically care about quality because, according to them, it doesn't matter. How can any Xbox fan look at this and be fine with it?

 

[Deleted member 417]

I've got a new theory:

Spencer is out. He knows he's out and part of his severance package is to make himself sound like a bit of a twat. That way, when the new guy steps in, he will look much better by comparison and they can spout the "This guy is much better than the last guy. This guy will save Xbox".

 

[Plextorage]

Sure, but how do you advertise the cloud?

Steam has valve/PC
Google Stadia had the...stadia
Nvidia Now had the shield
King has android
Apple has Iphone
Amazon is the exception as it isn't backed up with physical hardware outside the firestick.

How would Xbox advertise Xcloud? It doesn't fill people with confidence if they can the xbox console then advertise a streaming service where you own nothing.

It's rainy

 

[Sircaw]

Phil's message is pretty clearl. It's not about selling the most consoles worldwide. They have a different business model. It's about cloud gaming and Game Pass subs.
Soon they're going to own Activision-Blizzard and then Sega or Capcom (or both). Game Pass will dominate the gaming market (Netflix of Gaming) with Game Pass and with consoles in the USA.
The rest doesn't matter.

The question is are you going to migrate now to the ps5 for better gaming experiences, like your man Phil said, he does not give a shit about quality but quantity.

Do you?

 

[Plextorage]

Reversing 10 years ago. Same freaking shit :

"It's different from E3, which is more press and retail. In the end, this generation will be defined by great games and great experiences, none of us should get confused about that. It's not really about the hardware itself, or even the controller, it's about what's gonna be on screen. That's why people buy a gaming console.

We started indie development with XNA and Live Indie Games – and we didn't do everything perfectly with those two programs, but we learned a lot and we listened a lot and when we wanted to release the independent developer program on Xbox One we wanted to make sure we had all the feedback and learning from them.

but when you're at Gamescom, you're going to talk about games … and games are critical. We know that the people who are going to line up at midnight to get their box from GameStop are gamers – this is a gaming message.

And you know, we have Titanfall coming, we have Halo coming, we have our relationships around Fifa and Call of Duty, and our exclusive games. Those experiences, what the box is capable of … in the end, that's what it is. All of this, this is for people who look inside the business. That's great, I love feedback – and our ability to listen to the feedback and respond has to be a strength while building this platform, it has to be, I can't see it any other way.

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[Airbus]

Phil admit defeat : game over for xbox

 

[Darkknight2149]

"and doesn't think great games would help Xbox's market share"

 

[Satoru]

Do you post this stuff for attention or just to get a rise from people? I refuse to believe, you believe what you type so i have to assume you are god-tier troll committed to your bit or someone desperately seeking attention on internet forums so you post alternative reality fantasies. Take a look around you man, the SS Xbox has hit the iceberg and the ship is sinking. Dear leader admitted defeat today. Go outside, call some friends up, shoot your shot with that woman you like, but please stop, for your own mental health man.

He is a god tier troll and we're keeping fed and warm.

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

Same corporate culture that kept Phil Spencer in charge of Xbox games for the past 15 years regardless of the results.

Exactly, anyone who comes after Phil will do the same as Phil

 

[Bryank75]

Jez7780 is on now talking about this stuff...

 

[Box]

With him complaining about "competitors making a very discrete focus on doing deals and other things that make being Xbox hard for us, as a team." I wonder if its more than final fantasy that hes upset about? Like i wonder if sony has some pretty big gets weve yet to see?

Final Fantasy doesn't sell on Xbox, why would Square Enix screw themselves over. Is it even worth porting when Xbox fans just wait for everything to go on Gamepass anyways?

 

[Box]

He is a master at PR. Really damn good at lying and painting themself as the good guys. A master at misdirection as well (Sony aren't our rivals, We're buying ATVI for candy crush) He's a living breathing masterclass at PR.

 

[Dabaus]

Ever since this interview I’ve seen Xbox shills accounts “wellacshually” redfall is good after playing it for 10 hours on Twitter. I guess Phil deployed the bot army today.

 

[Cool hand luke]

I'm really looking forward to previously multiplatform titles becoming PS console exclusives again. It's already happened with FFXVI, and we want to see the same with Assassin's Creed, DMC, GTA and all the other franchises that temporarily blipped into existence on Xbox due to PS3's stumbles. The focus on one platform will seriously improve quality and fortify Sony's stellar first party.

I'm also looking forward to playing the next Fallout on PlayStation.

Thanks Phil for all your hard work in burying the Xbox brand

 

[Bryank75]

I'm really looking forward to previously multiplatform titles becoming PS console exclusives again. It's already happened with FFXVI, and we want to see the same with Assassin's Creed, DMC, GTA and all the other franchises that temporarily blipped into existence on Xbox due to PS3's stumbles. The focus on one platform will seriously improve quality and fortify Sony's stellar first party.

I'm also looking forward to playing the next Fallout on PlayStation.

Thanks Phil for all your hard work in burying the Xbox brand

I really think he has sent a message out to developers and publishers alike that they might not be able to count on Xbox being there as a console or at least that they wont be putting in major effort in that area. So you're right, I expect many more timed and full exclusives from 3rd party.

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[Yurinka]

Imagine the head of a gaming company saying "good games don't make a difference".

"and doesn't think great games would help Xbox's market share"

Phil didn't say that. Listen again his words carefully:

He doesn't say that good games don't make a difference of would help their market share. He say that they wouldn't turn everything around and all of a sudden you'd see the console share shift in a dramatic way.

Meaning, that building great games wouldn't make them lose against Sony 2:1 to win Sony 2:1 or almost something like that.

He's true because Sony or Nintendo don't only have way more great 1st party exclusives than MS, but they have a gazillion 3rd party exclusives that MS doesn't have. And they also have a legacy from previous generations that is very far from the MS one.

I'm really looking forward to previously multiplatform titles becoming PS console exclusives again.

It will happen in a generation or two, once MS stop making Xbox consoles.

I dunno you love Benji or not ( well, i don't like him very much ), but he has interensting takes and he literally denying what Phil Spencer said in this video from a seller view. Well, worth watching :

I love Benji but regarding the comeback I think he's wrong. 2 of the most popular best selling Switch games, Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart 8 already were (or almost) in WiiU, like many other Switch games released by Nintendo. And WiiU still tanked.

He forgot that Switch is the result of merging Nintendo's home console and portable console into a single one, unifying their catalog, amount of devs and userbases, and not only that, now they have the handheld console monopoly because Sony doesn't have a Vita succesor.

WiiU and 3DS sold around 90M combined, and Vita sold like a dozen million. All this combined (even if some of us had multiple of these consoles, obviously there's overlap) isn't far from the current 122M figure.

 

[anonpuffs]

Phil didn't say that. Listen again his words carefully:

He doesn't say that good games don't make a difference of would help their market share. He say that they wouldn't turn everything around and all of a sudden you'd see the console share shift in a dramatic way.

Meaning, that building great games wouldn't make them lose against Sony 2:1 to win Sony 2:1 or almost something like that.

He's true because Sony or Nintendo don't only have way more great 1st party exclusives than MS, but they have a gazillion 3rd party exclusives that MS doesn't have. And they also have a legacy from previous generations that is very far from the MS one.


It will happen in a generation or two, once MS stop making Xbox consoles.

The problem is he's wrong. If Playstation put out a single banger and then expected to coast the entire gen nobody would be sticking to their ecosystem either. Playstation has a whole pipeline of products designed specifically to keep them at the top.

I bought a ps4 for a single game. I bought a ps5 because I knew there would be more where that came from.

Xbox doesn't have that "single game" to get me to buy an xbox (and given their shitty UI and ads, even if I did I'd just buy it on steam). And they don't have the games to keep me there even if they did have that one game.

If they announced tomorrow that Unknown Worlds was making Natural Selection 3 exclusive to xbox, I'd be looking up when I'd need to have $500 ready. Phil simply has gotten the wrong idea because he has no taste in games and can't identify what makes them good or not.

 

[AshHunter216]

Phil didn't say that. Listen again his words carefully:

He doesn't say that good games don't make a difference of would help their market share. He say that they wouldn't turn everything around and all of a sudden you'd see the console share shift in a dramatic way.

Meaning, that building great games wouldn't make them lose against Sony 2:1 to win Sony 2:1 or almost something like that.

He's true because Sony or Nintendo don't only have way more great 1st party exclusives than MS, but they have a gazillion 3rd party exclusives that MS doesn't have. And they also have a legacy from previous generations that is very far from the MS one.


It will happen in a generation or two, once MS stop making Xbox consoles.


I love Benji but regarding the comeback I think he's wrong. 2 of the most popular best selling Switch games, Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart 8 already were in WiiU, like many other Switch games released by Nintendo. And WiiU still tanked.

He forgot that Switch is the result of merging Nintendo's home console and portable console into a single one, unifying their catalog, amount of devs and userbases, and that now they have the handheld console monopoly because Sony doesn't have a Vita succesor..

WiiU and 3DS sold around 90M combined, and Vita sold like a dozen million. All this combined (even if some of us had multiple of these console) isn't far from the current 122M figure.

Shouldn't they focus on making their games better before trying to beat Sony 2:1?