Phil Spencer admits defeat in console space, and doesn't think great games would help Xbox's market share.
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If this generation went as xbox and its fans thought it was going at the very start they’d be signing a different tune.
Halo dropped the ball. If it didn’t disappoint and continued the positive trend in games and gamespass you can very much guarantee Spencer would be spewing different kinds of bullshit.
Conversely, God of War Ragnarok did for PS5 what Halo Infinite could not for xbox… it put a rocket ship on the PS5.
Phil Spencer is full of shit and a lazy jerkoff.
Halo dropped the ball. If it didn’t disappoint and continued the positive trend in games and gamespass you can very much guarantee Spencer would be spewing different kinds of bullshit.
Conversely, God of War Ragnarok did for PS5 what Halo Infinite could not for xbox… it put a rocket ship on the PS5.
Phil Spencer is full of shit and a lazy jerkoff.
I would argue that i do want a better more interesting/unpredictable sony. But Third party developers with F2P big titles, and paid big titles are keeping them on their toes.
I think Capcom has been making heads turn. I thought Exo-Primal was more fun than it should be.
I mean Nintendo does what they do, and I think Sony will do what they do and if the games fail, or sales slow down they will make something else and pivot. I think owning all these unique studios they have partnered with is part of that strategy of being nimble and overing a wide swath of the industry game wise.
this is not sport to compete. it business. you can compare numbers, but you shouldn't be butthurt over numbers like xbox is.
it is clear, it is run by small dick energy, looking at big dick energy sony and instead of making cool, good things with small and grew to medium, they just jerk off around and play victim.
you can clearly see what consoles is all about - convenient and games. that should be your goal. but no, they dancing around the games like it is a bi product of console.
and Phil comes out and says, great games don't matter. i imagine, his talk is perfectly in line with their other products, where they monopolize market and making shit products, so, good, great, doesn't matter. it is clearly their goal here too.
Funny that Phil always pretends to be above the console war but he himself (as well as his company) always use console war rhetoric, "losing a generation", "getting outconsoled", bragging about beating Sony on specific markets on financial reports, directly taking digs at the competition on twitter and so on. The sole reason why Xbox exist is the console war mentality because the product itself hasn't made sense in a long time.
For as much as Xbox cries about exclusives they were the ones that started highlighting it on their presentations with the narrations of "exclusive world premiere", "console exclusive", etc. Now they get mad when Sony does that with Final Fantasy.
Yep. Everything they do backfires. Gamepass backfired into PS+. Rise of the Tomb Raider backfired in the multitude of moneyhats Sony make. There's not a single thing Xbox ever did that didn't backfired.
Well when you realize the sole reason Microsoft launched Xbox was to try to hurt Sony because Ken Kutaragi made an offhand comment about potentially launching the PS2 OS for computers someday, it makes a lot more sense. They saw an up-and-coming brand, they heard rumors of competition, and they set out to try to quash a potential competitor by hurting them in their main field. It's why they tried to buy Nintendo first. lol
Yep. They had no real plan, no vision, they just wanted to drive PS out of business and, fortunately, failed to do so.
It's still so wild to me though. "Crazy Ken" Kutaragi was known for making wildly speculative comments like that, even if there was no real intent or possibility to do so. He was notorious for it. How insecure and anti-competitive do you need to be to hear that comment and then actually decide you need to destroy them before they become a competitor? Crazy.
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They were so confident before the gen started for some reason. They were so sure that the 12TF spec win would make a big difference and not only it didn't make any difference but it also failed to perform better than the PS5 in practice. The Series S was a also another massive failure, even with a console that costs $259 they still get destroyed by the $499 PS5.
Deathloop released first on PlayStation, was released first on PS+, it made no difference that Xbox owned Bethesda, same goes for Ghostwire.
But it's true, though, as I recall, MS freaked out because sony was taking over the living room and that prompted them into creating the Xbox. Yep, they wanted to prevent Sony for being a driving force in hardware and dominating the people's minds.
And tbh, they were really shortsighted. They should've been focused on becoming Apple's main competition in the phone market.
But guess what, they failed at both lmao.
I'm sorry, if my post is Fear mongering, just posting my thoughts out there. But the gaming industry is healthy when we have all three companies fighting it out and creating great games for us.
There is nothing healthy about what Xbox is doing. It's actually damaging because games don't sell on their ecosystem and all the talent is leaving the studios. The mass consolidation they started also made online discussions incredibly toxic and violent.
Activision had a great working condition with Sony and now it's in the gutter. Everyday Xbox attacks Sony in the media. It's a shitshow everywhere.
Mobile is better competition than them.
Funny thing is, Phil said that exclusives don't matter, but later they started abusing Exclusive word everywhere . It lost its meaning on their console. Maybe that's their goal was to diminish the word.
Xbox was able to impose paid online when we were in one of the most competitive generations ever. They charged for F2P for an entire generation while in last place while Sony didn't ever do it. Pretty much every studio that partnered with Xbox has come out worse on the other side. Despite being in last place since forever they are the one feeding the most toxic fan base and engaging in console war.
There is no PlayStation equivalent of Colt Eastwood, Jez, Klobrille, etc, getting any support or visibility from Sony.
He always says what he thinks people want to hear (until this last interview at least) but acts in the way that is most convenient for him regardless of what he has already publicly stated.
"When everybody plays, we all win!" - Phil Spencer, right before buying Bethesda and removing all their future games from PlayStation.
What Playstation does is harder than it looks. We kinda take it for granted that even a B-tier PS team like Bend is still gonna have excellent gameplay feel, high quality mocap performances, smooth frame rate, etc.
Most of the teams at big publishers can't pull this off anymore.
Most of the teams at big publishers can't pull this off anymore.
Cross posting from another thread
Tinfoil hat theory:
So thought i had about Phil complaining about competitors making deals. So a few months ago we all know the CMA dropped console concerns right? And sony had a rebuttle and they were very upset, going as far as to say the CMA was irrational right? So here's my tinfoil hat theory.:
With backdrop that the CMA dropped console concerns, Sony got really worried and signed some BIG third party exclusives to save face for when the CMA was supposed to approve the activsion deal. We also know Sony took about a billion from their current acquisitions budget from 5.1 to like 3.7 or something. So...whered the money go? They said its to focus on internal first party studios, but im thinking they used a little over a billion of funds set aside for acquisitions for big third party deals.
I do not expect something as big as say a gta 6, but say they did. Say they paid take 2 one billion dollars for a year timed exclsuive gta 6. That would cover about 12-14 million sales worth of 70.00 games sold on xbox. Now assume gta 6 comes out at the end of 2024, whats the installed bases going to look like? PS5 close to 70 million, xbox mayyybe 30 million? Now would all 30 million buy gta? Would 1/3? Maybe. And maybe thats what 1 billion could cover.
Again this is a tinfoil hat theory and i dont believe sony or anyone could get gta 6 console exclusivity, but just something to think about in the context of Phil complaining about compeitiors making deals. Unless he's that upset about Final fantasy of all things.
Tinfoil hat theory:
So thought i had about Phil complaining about competitors making deals. So a few months ago we all know the CMA dropped console concerns right? And sony had a rebuttle and they were very upset, going as far as to say the CMA was irrational right? So here's my tinfoil hat theory.:
With backdrop that the CMA dropped console concerns, Sony got really worried and signed some BIG third party exclusives to save face for when the CMA was supposed to approve the activsion deal. We also know Sony took about a billion from their current acquisitions budget from 5.1 to like 3.7 or something. So...whered the money go? They said its to focus on internal first party studios, but im thinking they used a little over a billion of funds set aside for acquisitions for big third party deals.
I do not expect something as big as say a gta 6, but say they did. Say they paid take 2 one billion dollars for a year timed exclsuive gta 6. That would cover about 12-14 million sales worth of 70.00 games sold on xbox. Now assume gta 6 comes out at the end of 2024, whats the installed bases going to look like? PS5 close to 70 million, xbox mayyybe 30 million? Now would all 30 million buy gta? Would 1/3? Maybe. And maybe thats what 1 billion could cover.
Again this is a tinfoil hat theory and i dont believe sony or anyone could get gta 6 console exclusivity, but just something to think about in the context of Phil complaining about compeitiors making deals. Unless he's that upset about Final fantasy of all things.