Dragon's Dogma 2 Review and |OT| "If victory is elusive, seek new allies".

Gediminas said:

i gladly would have scores for every section of the game plus final score. fun factor, x factor is a thing, some things just clicks. but at least i would know, where all other things stands. especially, when loads of reviews have Final Note.

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At the end of the day, I think everyone settled on "read the text of the review for details" as assigning a discrete number to various aspects of the game was hard even for an individual reviewer, and basically impossible to make consistent across different reviewers.

Looking forward to picking it up down the road. Always interesting to see these types of games that come out and fly under the radar completely by both reviewers and consumers and then the sequel comes out getting more attention and getting much higher review scores even though the gameplay of the sequel is mostly similar to the first one.

A Legendary Sequel is upon us.

xollowsob said:

Modern day gamers opinions aren't worth listening to.

Fast travel ruins an explorative game, doubly so for one where the whole fun is fighting big monsters in the wild.

Fast travel shouldn't be there on day one, at all. Not every game is a collectathon of zipping between cities to complete dopamine fetch quests.

Have a sense of patience and adventure.

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I hope DD2 sells well, the creators and Devs deserve it for how long they've had to wait to achieve the success they deserve.
I just hope normies don't infect it and ruin it.

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LMAO don't give the consumers what they want but what you think they want. No wonder this industry stinks to high heavens. No fast travel because we have to listen to "Arisen, wolf hunt in packs" for the 10^12 time according to xollowsob and is an adventure of a lifetime

quest4441 said:

LMAO don't give the consumers what they want but what you think they want. No wonder this industry stinks to high heavens. No fast travel because we have to listen to "Arisen, wolf hunt in packs" for the 10^12 time according to xollowsob and is an adventure of a lifetime

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Plenty of garboslop games out there for you, unsure why you need to complain. Another settlement needs your help, follow the quest marker once you fast travel there for [generic content], this is what is good.

The reality is without a small minority of vocal gamers, the industry would be live service garbage all the way down. Elden Ring's (BG3 as well being an isometric, turn-based RPG) success demonstrates the market will learn the lesson eventually. I also don't understand how one can praise games as creative, auteur driven endeavours, but also believe homogenous market consensus is axiomatically correct about fundamentals. Creators will want to bring something different, that's a massive positive.

If you don't get the point of Dragon's Dogma, again, plenty of other games to play. Ubisoft pumps out generic, similarly designed games every year. You'll never have to step outside your comfort zone if you stick to what you believe in.

Just reading about the technical performance now. Wow, it's pretty bad. Definitely happy I upgraded my PC. Don't have time to watch the videos, what graphic settings are the console versions on? Low/medium? From IGN:

During his playthrough, Thompson noted that the Xbox Series S suffered most with memory demands as texture would fail to load and become very low-quality after roughly 10 minutes of open-world exploration. In addition, Thompson lost saves a few times returning to an earlier point in the title and even cause a game reset from the start.
Dragon's Dogma 2 currently has high demands on hardware, with the Steam Deck struggling to run at playable rates and even high-end machines of an RTX4090 paired with an AMD 5800X3D CPU can drop into the 30s whilst in the denser populated towns.

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They don't say what the resolution was though. PC Gamer has a 4070 getting 49 fps at 4K, so guess it's just really bad optimisation in cities. Just have to wait and see how it actually performs when people get their hands on it, but if it's a consistent <30fps experience that's a massive negative, especially if you're getting low 20s in the parts that matter (combat, trying to navigate a city).

Nimrota said:

Just reading about the technical performance now. Wow, it's pretty bad. Definitely happy I upgraded my PC. Don't have time to watch the videos, what graphic settings are the console versions on? Low/medium? From IGN:

They don't say what the resolution was though. PC Gamer has a 4070 getting 49 fps at 4K, so guess it's just really bad optimisation in cities. Just have to wait and see how it actually performs when people get their hands on it, but if it's a consistent <30fps experience that's a massive negative, especially if you're getting low 20s in the parts that matter (combat, trying to navigate a city).

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again, i was right. 1 save file is damn retarded. what these devs have smoked to do that? it was written on the wall.

also, there is plenty of quest which will fail, because there is no explanation what to do and with 1 save file, you basically walking backwards.
you can even missed on side quest if you kill a monster which you can't kill because you can kill just after activating quest. it is dumfuckery of highest order.

Gediminas said:

again, i was right. 1 save file is damn retarded. what these devs have smoked to do that? it was written on the wall.

also, there is plenty of quest which will fail, because there is no explanation what to do and with 1 save file, you basically walking backwards.
you can even missed on side quest if you kill a monster which you can't kill because you can kill just after activating quest. it is dumfuckery of highest order.

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I don't think it's dumb. I think it's great. No more save scumming, play the game and deal with the consequences of your actions. BG3 should have done that so you couldn't reload after failing a roll.

Nimrota said:

I don't think it's dumb. I think it's great. No more save scumming, play the game and deal with the consequences of your actions. BG3 should have done that so you couldn't reload after failing a roll.

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and if game glitched? bugged etc? don't need to pretend like games doesn't have these problems all the time.
pluss, there are quests which are very poorly explained so you fail them. not because you here are abusing save file.

and it is still ''save scumming'' there. so it doesn't solve anything.

do you want to lose a 20h, 50h or 100h save file because devs are incompetent? like wtf?

Gediminas said:

and if game glitched? bugged etc? don't need to pretend like games doesn't have these problems all the time.
pluss, there are quests which are very poorly explained so you fail them. not because you here are abusing save file.

and it is still ''save scumming'' there. so it doesn't solve anything.

do you want to lose a 20h, 50h or 100h save file because devs are incompetent? like wtf?

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So are you in principle against a single save, or are you against it because of potential technical issues? From a game design standpoint, I don't care.

Nimrota said:

So are you in principle against a single save, or are you against it because of potential technical issues? From a game design standpoint, I don't care.

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if game like that with length and size and quests like these, yeah, i am against it. it just bomb waiting to explode.
if there is no quests like that and 0 technical issues or if the game is small, like less than 10h, then sure, there is no problem to have one.

and glitched and bugged quests etc happens all the time in gaming.

in principal, i am not against one save file.

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Just reading about the technical performance now. Wow, it's pretty bad. Definitely happy I upgraded my PC. Don't have time to watch the videos, what graphic settings are the console versions on? Low/medium? From IGN:

They don't say what the resolution was though. PC Gamer has a 4070 getting 49 fps at 4K, so guess it's just really bad optimisation in cities. Just have to wait and see how it actually performs when people get their hands on it, but if it's a consistent <30fps experience that's a massive negative, especially if you're getting low 20s in the parts that matter (combat, trying to navigate a city).

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Does DD2 have DRM? Didn't it tank the performance of Resident Evil?

xollowsob said:

Does DD2 have DRM? Didn't it tank the performance of Resident Evil?

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Yes it has Denuvo. Which is, as far as I know, CPU intensive so adding denuvo's cpu usage on top of the already cpu bottlenecked game is great for everyone who bought it!

Gediminas said:

if game like that with length and size and quests like these, yeah, i am against it. it just bomb waiting to explode.
if there is no quests like that and 0 technical issues or if the game is small, like less than 10h, then sure, there is no problem to have one.

and glitched and bugged quests etc happens all the time in gaming.

in principal, i am not against one save file.

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I get your argument but multiple saves doesn't really prevent this. Starfield was recently patched to fix a bug that ruined quests and was present since launch, it has multiple saves. The worst outcome is making a choice in a quest and that specific outcome is bugged and you can't progress, but even if you had a save before that choice that content would, like Starfield, still be inaccessible until patched.

Nimrota said:

Plenty of garboslop games out there for you, unsure why you need to complain. Another settlement needs your help, follow the quest marker once you fast travel there for [generic content], this is what is good.

The reality is without a small minority of vocal gamers, the industry would be live service garbage all the way down. Elden Ring's (BG3 as well being an isometric, turn-based RPG) success demonstrates the market will learn the lesson eventually. I also don't understand how one can praise games as creative, auteur driven endeavours, but also believe homogenous market consensus is axiomatically correct about fundamentals. Creators will want to bring something different, that's a massive positive.

If you don't get the point of Dragon's Dogma, again, plenty of other games to play. Ubisoft pumps out generic, similarly designed games every year. You'll never have to step outside your comfort zone if you stick to what you believe in.

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My brother in christ, DD2 doesn't have any ground breaking quest design, it too has the same go kill 10 wolves and escort quest slop that all open world games have. Being forced to kill the same run of the mill mobs while travelling from point A to B because of no fast travel does not worthwhile an endeavor make. Nvm you do you, if you like mundane padding who am I to disagree.

quest4441 said:

My brother in christ, DD2 doesn't have any ground breaking quest design, it too has the same go kill 10 wolves and escort quest slop that all open world games have. Being forced to kill the same run of the mill mobs while travelling from point A to B because of no fast travel does not worthwhile an endeavor make. Nvm you do you, if you like mundane padding who am I to disagree.

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You haven't played DD2 so I'm confused as to how you're so knowledgeable about the quest design? I didn't even mention quest design in my comment, I talked about how it's design differs from the norm and that's a net positive.

The thing is though, just run past the wolves? Get an ox cart? When you get portcrystals later use them? All of those decisions enforce a being in the world that's far more interesting than "I'm going to use a menu to skip combat". As you level up you'll instantly destroy the wolves if you have to walk that way again, so character progression becomes diegetic to exploration. You must be pretty chuffed they have fast travel and quest markers in most games, you never need to engage in the gameplay at a higher level than ticking a box.

If playing the game is mundane padding you must love autobattlers since you never have to engage. Why should games have grinds, gear, progression? Just give me max stats and all the items and let me do autoattacks on the final boss - how exciting!!!

Gamernyc78 said:

Damn I hope me buying this doesnt bite me in the ass and I waste my money. I'm buying it though because I love a gd action RPG.

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Same.

Nimrota said:

Yes it has Denuvo. Which is, as far as I know, CPU intensive so adding denuvo's cpu usage on top of the already cpu bottlenecked game is great for everyone who bought it!

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If they've put drm in a console game, on a console that is unhackable, and that's causing the FPS drop, things could get spicy