For these gaas games you can never predict what hits. One day there is nothing, next day some 1 dude game on steam comes out and every kid plays it
Apparently Concord Cost Sony 400 million and was internally championed as future of playstation
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Colin has been talking nonsense since the Bungie takeover and Concord was his number one "hate game" that he has been attacking since the first gameplay.
Of course he has countless reasons for saying such things:
1. Attention and advertising for his site
2. Nobody can refute it, except serious journalists like Schreier or Sony itself
3. He often has completely absurd theories which he discusses with his friend David Jaffe.
Anyone can just do the math on how much Concord would have cost. 150 full-time employees at Firewall, an unrealistic monthly salary of $10,000 was $18 million annually. Even if full production had taken 10 years, that would only be $180 million. Even if fixed studio costs of $1 million annually were added on, it wouldn't be $200 million in 10 years.
Firewalk started 8 years ago with 12 employees and Concord was never in development for 8 years, let alone 10 years. My estimated 200 million is realistically much too high. And all the other employees in the credits, such as QA, translators, speakers, marketing, SIE employees were not paid for the full development of Concord, or it was not the only project. Realistically, costs are 150-200 million, which still would be a lot.
It is of course possible that the 400 million was the planned budget, i.e. 200 for development and 200 for supporting the game in the next few years. For Helldivers 2, a budget was also planned that included development and support, so that Arrowhead knows how many staff they can employ and for how long.
That would be the only logical explanation for how 400 million came about, but that is not the development costs, or because Sony has "paused" everything related to Concord, the rest of the budget is frozen for now and cannot be included in the calculation. Colin should really know something like that. Either he deliberately keeps it quiet in the podcast, which, as I said, I don't know, or only in the excerpt that goes viral.
For context: With development costs of over 500 million dollars, RDR2 is one of the most expensive games that has taken longer to develop and has more than three times as many employees. HZD had a budget of just under 200 million in 2017, including marketing. Guerilla was twice as big back then, and HZD was also in development for over 6 years. Naughty Dog is even bigger, and even LoU 2 ended up being cheaper than the 400 million that Colin says.
In my opinion, the sum can't be right. As a reminder: Hulst took the LoU 1 remake from a sub-studio and gave it to Naughty Dog because it would have been too expensive there. I find it hard to imagine that the same Hulst would release 400 million for a run-of-the-mill hero shooter and see it through to launch, despite disastrous beta numbers. You obviously also don't understand that there aren't two CEOs because they don't trust Hulst, but rather that Hulst has a completely different area of responsibility than Nishino. One takes care of games, the other takes care of the platform.
Exactly, GaaS is pretty much this. No company should invest more than $20 million on a GaaS. Make 2 maps with character editor and release that shit as early access then watch what happens.
Tbh I think the only way Concord costs $400m is by including the cost of studio acquisition. Regardless it cost a lot of money, whether it cost 100 or 400m this thing was a massive failure of leadership
Game reportedly been in development since 8 years ago, made in belevue, its a gaas game which has more maintenance cost for its online server, had tv show, was launch with special ediiton controller which means its a game with big spotlight, entirely plausible they came big with this
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You guys are just hoping these huge numbers are true. There is no way this game cost 400 million unless money laundering is involveded lol.
It's worst. The paid 3.6 B for bungie. the whole GaaS strategy should be around 5 Billion.
I thought it was like 1.2 billion for Bungie itself and the rest was for retention and other financial packages related to staff.
But yeah, the GaaS initiative was a failure on all fronts, we all saw it coming years ago anywho
Dont always agree with him but that colin moriarty dude have good accuracy when it comes to playstation like leaks about ps4 $400, project beast/bloodborne, ps to have robot dinosaur ip horizon zero dawn in 2016, ff7 remake is real, demon souls remake and ps5 $500 pricetag so imo his reports kinda believable to me
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That was more fake news. Studio employee tweeted out that work officially started 6 years prior to release and in 2019 there were less than 12 people working on the game.
There's a vacuum in the gaming landscape and charlatans are willing to fill it with their "unnamed sources".
Whats even the bigger fake news is the people in here claiming gaas is the future gaming
Well it's already 60% of the market and it got there with about 5% of the overall investment.
Colin Moriarty is solid, regardless of what people think of his opinions.
You guys need to stop entering in denial every time there's negative news about Sony.
150 veteran devs coming from Bungie living in one of the US's most expensive cities will cost hundreds of millions, and so will contractors after those veterans fail to reach their milestones because they're too busy fighting capitalism on Twitter and reddit, or making presentations on how to give hugs.
I am reaponding to someone who claimed it could logically be 400m. I claimed on the worst case scenario I couldn't get anywhere near that. My post was a response to someone claiming 400m is reasonable. I did their math and wouldn't you know it, it was a bullshit estimate.You got 260 m on salaries alone then you doubt the 400
Also are you sure they are paid 350k a year? That's huge
The figures that you are responding to is someone guessing how 400m could be spent. I disagreed with their calculations. 350k was picked out of that posters ass because reasons, 150 full time staff in an attic appears to be his guess for part of it.
The 400m figure is bogus. No one how show math that could explain it rationally.
You need to listen to what makes more sense, 150 people in one attic making 350k in 2019 or the game doesn't cost 400m.
I think we need to test how many people could fit into the attic. Anyone in Washington State here could organise themselves and 149 other people to fit into an attic for the interest of science.
I need to confirm this post is sarcasm since people believed my post disproving of 400m as proof staff got 350,000 a year.
Yeh no shit man. Anyone who believed 400 million is absolutely stupid
- this game stared major work 3-4 years ago
- this game launched with very little modes and characters
- this game had literally 0 advertising
- Sony launched this game at £40 not £70. So they wouldn’t be able to even break even if it sold a lot
The way everyone believes fake news these days is so scary