Hermen Hulst Master Plan

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TBH all sounds good, I just hope Naughty Dog were working on someone new before 2022.
Not sure. I assume that after TLOU2 a small portion of them went to TLOUP1, a few guys overviewed the collection, ports, non gaming adaptations and the majority of them went to TLOU Online.

According to Jason Schreier, Bend between DG release (april 26, 2019) and before they got greenlighted the new IP (March 2021) they did help with TLOU Online and also started to work in an Uncharted spinoff until they got the new IP greenlighted.

But he doesn't know if the Uncharted spinoff got canned or moved to someone else. Who knows, maybe ND is working on it getting help from some other studio (maybe the Sony Visual Arts Group after they completed their job in TLOUP1? maybe Bluepoint after GoWR? maybe someone else or maybe ND alone?).

Blue Point is doing something while helping God of War R.
Yes. They were in GoWR for aprox. a year, so maybe -a big maybe- they are helping in other Sony game to be released aprox a year or two after GoWR. Maybe Spider-Man 2, TLOU Online, Wolverine, Concord, Marathon? Who knows, I have no idea.

In any case, I wish they complete their design team before completing their current project in order to be the lead studio of their next project. And if aren't a lead, then I want them supporting FromSoft in Bloodborne 2.

Sounds good. I my deep wish is they are also helping Miyazaki with a PS exclusive lol
I'd love to see Team Asobi working in some classic Japan Studio IP, since they have many members there how worked in many great games. They have many people who worked in Team Ico games, Gravity Rush games, Loco Roco or Puppeter to name a few. And yes, your favorite one too:
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No. But there is no need to ignore MLB. Btw. you ignored HFW expansion and PSVR 2 release. Talking about excuses, yet you ignored literally 3 first party games. If you trying to play some drama queen, keep going.
Don't you see that just the fact that you are starting to use DLC and MLB as proof of how strong Sony line up for 2023 already says it all? One of if not their weakest year ever when it comes to first-party output and 2024 doesn't look much better.

One of Hermen's appointees from Guerrilla had the nerve to tweet out this. Never thought I'd see the day Playstation became so out of touch. To think these guys think they are truly killing it, it's quite alarming.


There is something wrong with Guerrilla, they should be just a support studio, very technically skilled but just lacking when it comes time to make truly great games.
 
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There is something wrong with Guerrilla, they should be just a support studio, very technically skilled but just lacking when it comes making great games.
I actually really like Guerrilla very good studio on the cusp of greatness but needs better writers. They are efficient and technical wizards. But now I'm worried about the recent Guerilla promotions to upper management within Playstation.

Guerilla Cambridge were the real stars but hey, they killed them.
 

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One of Hermen's appointees from Guerrilla had the nerve to tweet out this. Never thought I'd see the day Playstation became so out of touch. To think these guys think they are truly killing it, it's quite alarming.


That's the type of foreplay leading to flaccid.
 

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Yeah I gotta agree I don’t like Hermen’s decisions. I hate some of the decisions.

But I guess to get a full picture we need to see what Naughty Dog are fully creating, Cory Balrogs team if there is a separate team, Sucker
Punch, Bluepoint, House Maque, London Team, MediaMolecule.
Hopefully most these guys are working on multiple projects and apart from a couple of studio’s all working on Single Player games.

How well have Jim and Hermen managed the resources and expanding the teams and 3rd party exclusives. This is what is important.


Wolverine is a good choice. But really need to see what Sony is cooking single player wise and new genres before I fully judge but so far, not impressed.

Is Concord confired a Gaas Game? What genre?
The shitty thing about this is, yes 95% chance all these studios are doing what they do and creating the biggest and best single player games on earth... but we won't find out unless we wait another what, 2-3-4 years? I guess it isn't that productive to be alarmists but imo we should still have some situational awareness... jim and the corporates have been telling us their plans via their investor calls and slide decks for years now, doesn't hurt to have some contingency plans in case the worst happens and Factions 2 is a bunch of twinks in neon hoodies jumping out of an airplane trailing a "Season Pass now available for $19.99/month, 5% PS+ discount for the first 100 users" banner
 

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One of Hermen's appointees from Guerrilla had the nerve to tweet out this. Never thought I'd see the day Playstation became so out of touch. To think these guys think they are truly killing it, it's quite alarming.


Fuck that dude, CGI trailers = going in raw on your fans
 
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One thing I find funny about all the people who are basically just pointing to sales data, market data, and revenue to go "This is fine!", what they fail to ever address specifically WRT this showcase, is simple: Why does this expansion into focusing more on PC, focusing more on live-service GaaS, come at the expense of having more than a SINGLE non-live service/GaaS 1P game at their own proper Showcase in almost two years?

Sony should be understanding of what the meat & potatoes are among their software offerings that have earned them such respect and loyalty among their core fanbase. Yet the first Showcase event in almost two years where they start to actually push their live-service/GaaS offerings and PC Day 1 (seemingly) releases (at least for the live-service/GaaS titles) comes at the expense of having anything to show from any of their other teams that's a non live-service/GaaS reveal (with gameplay) outside of Insomniac's Spiderman 2. It's potentially very fair to speculate that such a shift in increasing focus on those things has come at the expense of their marquee content.

The core fanbase that take to the God of Wars, Spidermans, Horizons, Ghosts of Tsushimas, Gran Turismos etc. are also by far the biggest spenders in the ecosystem (by ARPU). They're among the core constituency. To say a lot of them probably weren't satisfied with yesterday's showcase is an understatement. You cannot focus on expanding your audience if it comes at the expense of your core; Microsoft have realized this first-hand in terms of gaming and it seems Sony are skirting dangerously close to doing much of the same. The insane part being, they could have easily just looked to Nintendo's model because out of the three, Nintendo has managed this expansion the best without necessarily diluting the value incentives of their console or not satisfying their core audience with the games they regularly expect.

All Sony had to do, IMHO, is just take from that model. There is a chance they have learned this now WRT PC and might treat that platform as mainly a ground for the live-service/GaaS titles instead going forward. However, they've still conditioned a lot of PC gamers to expect and feel entitled to the marquee 1P non live-service games on their platform, on storefronts, OSes and hardware Sony doesn't own, and Sony walked into setting up that expectation themselves. It'll take a long time for that to simmer down. Meanwhile I feel the time on the PC ports earlier could've been better spent making a push into mobile, leveraging classic IP to do, with smaller teams suited to that platform. Would've required even less resources to potentially generate some big gaming cash cows that would've made prioritizing PC for ports of the marquee games an irrelevant non-priority.

And since I've mentioned Nintendo, it's also funny how all of the same people who try arguing Sony should "simply copy Microsoft" and do Day 1on PC for their games, push for all games in their sub service Day 1, ease off of 3P exclusives (yet not acquire publishers to compensate, funnily enough), push for GaaS etc...never bring up these suggestions for Nintendo to make more money. "Oh but Nintendo doesn't NEED to make more money!" well no shit, no company "needs" to make more money but I'm sure they'd love to make more if it made sense. "Nintendo games sell at full price for many years" yeah because they told beggars wanting steep discounts and price drops to GTFO and conditioned them to value those games just as much as they as the publisher do. "Nintendo's games sell way way more" yes because, again, they've conditioned everyone to accept they'll never put the new games in a sub service, or port them to PC.

Nintendo's model isn't necessarily conductive to 3P publishers, but if 3P publishers are already pushing for platform agnosticism of their own anyway, to the point platform holders have enabled crossplay, crossbuy etc., then I can't blame platform holders if their needs shift more to serving themselves in an industry where costs keep creeping up and up and up. Sony's potential problem is that they are pursuing solutions that favor a much larger company to whom gaming revenue means absolutely nothing to their bottom line (Microsoft) and to whom console gaming is to an extent expendable if it means solidifying gaming on a much more valuable OS they happen to also own (Microsoft, Windows), rather than a model that benefits/favors a smaller company where gaming revenue is critical (Nintendo, themselves).

Ideally, Sony should be doubling-down on their unique strengths and going all-in on them, which in terms of the types of games they make, are single-player driven narrative action-adventures, realistic & cartoony, across multiple genres. They have a model to follow in expanding those games while still keeping the core which identifies their games brand-wise intact, just looking at games like GT7. There's a rumor Insomniac are working on a live-service/GaaS Spiderman-themed game, right? Why have them do that instead of a "Spiderman Online" multiplayer mode provided in addition to the main single-player Spiderman 2 campaign? That you can play locally with friends, or online? You could still have the MTX content built in there, and add content over time, maybe eventually offer the mode as a standalone F2P thing if it really takes off and shows that growth potential. But that sounds better IMO than isolating it to its own game, and by keeping them together, could incentivize other MP stuff like specific co-op scenarios unique from the main campaign but still of the same quality, just built with two players in mind.

Meanwhile, keep expanding and growing the scale of the single-player marquee AAA offerings, listen to the fans who have been asking for classic IP to come back and do as AA-sized remakes, reboots and sequels. I'm sure some of those would also work very well on mobile, if you're looking to expand content further there. At the end of the day though, as a platform holder you ALWAYS have to keep your core happy and at least in terms of transparency on info/footage/gameplay of the types of games Sony's core are the biggest fans of, they have not done a good job of it for a while now. Nothing on that front from 1P aside Spiderman 2 was just abysmal, and no amount of pointing to bar graphs, pie charts, dollar signs and percentages is going to change or explain THAT reality.
 
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Don't you see that just the fact that you are starting to use DLC and MLB as proof of how strong Sony line up for 2023 already says it all? One of if not their weakest year ever when it comes to first-party output and 2024 doesn't look much better.

No need to go back to GAF and find bunch of posts before where expansions and MLB, Death Stranding are included for a list wars. Now it doesn't count, huh. Even a PSVR 2 game doesn't count all of sudden. To me it is a decent year :

SIE published :
Call of the Mountain
Burning Shores
Firewall Ultra
MLB
Spider-Man 2
Stellar Blade
Factions ( this year probably )

3rd party

Forspoken
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The shitty thing about this is, yes 95% chance all these studios are doing what they do and creating the biggest and best single player games on earth... but we won't find out unless we wait another what, 2-3-4 years? I guess it isn't that productive to be alarmists but imo we should still have some situational awareness... jim and the corporates have been telling us their plans via their investor calls and slide decks for years now, doesn't hurt to have some contingency plans in case the worst happens and Factions 2 is a bunch of twinks in neon hoodies jumping out of an airplane trailing a "Season Pass now available for $19.99/month, 5% PS+ discount for the first 100 users" banner
Good if they are, but the worst case scenario is that they are struggling and got nothing or are working on stuff that Sony isn't confident to show.
 
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SIE published :
Call of the Mountain VR
Burning Shores DLC
Firewall Ultra VR
MLB multiplataform/anual release
Spider-Man 2
Stellar Blade nowhere to be seen
Factions 2 nowhere to be seen / not ever shown

3rd party

Forspoken third-party / flop
FFXVI third-part / GOTY
It doesn't get worse than this unless we are talking MS 2022 levels of bad.

If you want to discuss VR support we can get into it, but let me warn you it ain't going to look good for Sony. Even Meta did a better job. Sony let their hardware team down.
 

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No need to go back to GAF and find bunch of posts before where expansions and MLB, Death Stranding are included for a list wars. Now it doesn't count, huh. Even a PSVR 2 game doesn't count all of sudden. To me it is a decent year :

SIE published :
Call of the Mountain
Burning Shores
Firewall Ultra
MLB
Spider-Man 2
Stellar Blade
Factions ( this year probably )

3rd party

Forspoken
FFXVI
Fuck list wars, Sony 1st party should be better than having to stoop to counting an annual sports game and a DLC
 

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It doesn't get worse than this unless we are talking MS 2022 levels of bad.

There is more than 6 months left and Neil Druckman promised more info of Factions 2 in 2023. So, you wanted everything to be showed yesterday, huh? Stellar Blade nowhere to be seen, yet it had showed gameplay at the beginning of this year and slated for late 2023. Ignorance is a bliss.

Fuck list wars, Sony 1st party should be better than having to stoop to counting an annual sports game and a DLC

Ignoring PSVR 2 games i see. . So, hypothetical question : If Death Stranding 2 is slated for 2023, would you count Death Stranding 2 as a Sony's 1st party game despite it is 3rd party developer?
 
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There is more than 6 months left and Neil Druckman promised more info of Factions 2 in 2023. So, you wanted everything to be showed yesterday, huh? Stellar Blade nowhere to be seen, yet it had showed gameplay at the beginning of this year and slated for late 2023. Ignorance is a bliss.
We living of promises of future information now? I can already feel myself turning green.

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We living of promises of future information now? I can already feel myself turning green.

Yes. More than 6 months left till end of 2023. Maybe Factions 2 will be officially announced during Summer Games Fest with possible release date this year. A problem? So, everything should've been announced yesterday for the whole 2023, huh?
 

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There is more than 6 months left and Neil Druckman promised more info of Factions 2 in 2023. So, you wanted everything to be showed yesterday, huh? Stellar Blade nowhere to be seen, yet it had showed gameplay at the beginning of this year and slated for late 2023. Ignorance is a bliss.



Ignoring PSVR 2 games i see. . So, hypothetical question : If Death Stranding 2 is slated for 2023, would you count Death Stranding 2 as a Sony's 1st party game despite it is 3rd party developer?
Maybe depending on exclusivity, Kojima gets a lot of dev support from Sony, so I'd have to see. But probably not. I wouldn't count Callisto Protocol after all. There's no way it comes out next year though, I'm thinking late 2025. What I want to see first and foremost are not games that Sony just has marketing rights for. That's 90% of the games at this show. I want to see true exclusives, games that really show me why I have a PS5.

Like, best case scenario Jim developed amnesia or misunderstood the reputation Sony worked to build up for their showcases and they're actually saving more first party content for another show like they did in 2020. I'm not holding my breath though.
 
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I'm having de ja vu from being an xbox fan in 2010.

Sensible gamers - "If Microsoft take this rumoured TV TV TV direction, it will sink them"

Blind fanboys - "It will be the best thing Microsoft ever did!"

Just swap MS with Sony and TV,TV,TV with Gaas, PC and mobile.
 

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Maybe depending on exclusivity, Kojima gets a lot of dev support from Sony, so I'd have to see. But probably not. I wouldn't count Callisto Protocol after all. There's no way it comes out next year though, I'm thinking late 2025. What I want to see first and foremost are not games that Sony just has marketing rights for. That's 90% of the games at this show. I want to see true exclusives, games that really show me why I have a PS5.

Like, best case scenario Jim developed amnesia or misunderstood the reputation Sony worked to build up for their showcases and they're actually saving more first party content for another show like they did in 2020. I'm not holding my breath though.

So, Firewall Ultra is a Sony's IP and it is an exclusive game for PSVR 2. So, it does count, huh? Need to check about Stellar Blade is Sony's IP because it is published by Sony.