You need to be better prepared for your defense PC boy. PC ports work if they can sell millions more copies there, and I do not think they can ever achieve that considering the 2 years gap of release window. Also, I wonder how Sony studios could develop all those games during the PS4 era, truly wondering, guess Sony was just richer back then. As for AAA part, if 10 AAA games for 1 year are not possible, then scale down to 4 AAA and 6 A or AA, I have no problems with that direction.
Horizon Forbidden West: Complete Edition launches on PS5 October 6, and comes to PC early 2024
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I am actually curious to see much this will sell. If this flops, it's definitely time to scrap PC ports overall.
This has been the absolute worst Playstation generation ever an the ramifications won't be felt till next gen. All who wanna continue to stick their heads into the sand and gloat about PS5 selling like hot-cakes will look silly. Like, yeah no shit? PS5 will be selling well because that's how momentum works. Let's see how a Playstation sells coming off a disgruntled generation with the absolute WORST Leadership and Brand Marketing.
This has been the absolute worst Playstation generation ever an the ramifications won't be felt till next gen. All who wanna continue to stick their heads into the sand and gloat about PS5 selling like hot-cakes will look silly. Like, yeah no shit? PS5 will be selling well because that's how momentum works. Let's see how a Playstation sells coming off a disgruntled generation with the absolute WORST Leadership and Brand Marketing.
Quoting Jim Ryan:
To summarize: Playstation expects "incremental" growth in their established types of single player games thanks in part to them coming to PC. They expect "another level" of growth in their service games, all of which are expected to launch on PC.
They need PC?
PlayStation revenue in 2022 - 27 billion
PlayStation PC revenue in 2022 - 200 million
200 million divided by 27 billion = .0074%
PSN store generates ~500 million a week. More than 2x what PC brings in a year.
And that 200m was in a year with Destiny 2, God of War, Uncharted 4, Uncharted Lost Legacy, TLOU 1 remake, Spider-Man 2018, Spider-Man Miles Morales all released
some of their most marquee titles. I shudder to think what it will be this year with just Returnal and Rift Apart Not to mention that 200 million is just revenue, not profit. Steam cut and port cost eats away at that.
you're delusional if you think they NEED them. Sony could be making SIGNIFICANTLY more money if they shut down Nixxes and bought another dedicated PSVR2 studio, OR put Nixxes into remastering classic PlayStation games from ps3 and earlier. Not giving games to a competing platform where they flop. Too bad Sony is run by buffoons' and will get decimated by the Switch 2 next year.
I don't think it will flop.
First game sold over 2.4 million units on PC in like 2 years.
60$ million revenue (already removing the 3rd-party stores cuts).
Playstation has never been bigger because of the PS4 success, not because of the PC strategy lmao. I know you are a PC fan but please don’t be delusional. Jim Ryan talks whatever he thinks fits the narrative, he can not say the PC strategy is bad because that will make a clown of himself. I also do not think PC strategy is bad, yet. Guess we need to wait until Switch 2 and the near future to judge.
God of War Ragnarok is one of the best games I've ever played. Insomniac is on a roll. Guerrilla worked magic on Forbidden West. Housemarque jumped up the AAA with Returnal. 3rd parties have bangers like The Hitman Trilogy, Elden Ring, Baldurs Gate.
Playstation is murdering this generation, to the point where Xbox might have to retreat to Series S to even continue making consoles. PS5 is a more ambitious box than PS4, and it's succeeding big time. What is the problem?
Of course it will flop, and no that 60m was revenue, not profit. Horizon sold 2m+ because that was the first 1st party Sony game going to PC (Death Stranding doesn't count), the honeymoon phase is over now and this is a guaranteed flop just like everything else was.
First-party revenue in 2022 was around $3.67 billion.They need PC?
PlayStation revenue in 2022 - 27 billion
PlayStation PC revenue in 2022 - 200 million
200 million divided by 27 billion = .0074%
PSN store generates ~500 million a week. More than 2x what PC brings in a year.
And that 200m was in a year with Destiny 2, God of War, Uncharted 4, Uncharted Lost Legacy, TLOU 1 remake, Spider-Man 2018, Spider-Man Miles Morales all released
Not to mention that 200 million is just revenue, not profit. Steam cut and port cost eats away at that.
That is where PC revenue is added... around 5%.
The first game was an actual event when released on PC. There's no way this game will sell as well. I am not saying it will flop as I said.. I'm curious to see how it sells as in reality it should be the final straw to scrap this bullshit initiative.
They need to fleece you suckers on GAAS titles. They don't need to release pearls to the swine. Look at how much R&C sold. Pointless port.
I expect key titles to do really well in PC... Horizon, GoW, Spider-man, etc.
The others titles well it will indeed flop... R&C, Returnal, etc.
Sony's actually richer now than they were then. Problem is, each new generation games take more to make. Both time and money. Itss why you see industry people saying AAA game development is becoming unsustainable.
And it gets worse each gen. Remember the PS3 era and how we got 3 Uncharted games in a single generation? We're now 3 year in and ND has only released a "remake" on PS5.
Of course they are not going to scrap PC development. Playstation is going to make 12 online service games which will be day and date on PC. This isn't the old SOE days where a few PC MMOs were released separately from Playstation. It's core to Playstation's first party publishing strategy. They're even going to let Bungie put out Marathon on Xbox. Get with the times.
I know Sony is much richer now, that was just sarcasm. Sony’s 1st party output is much stronger now compared to the ps4 era though. As for the development time, they can expand their studios further, even divide Naughty Dog into ND1 and ND2 if necessary.
A for effort for trying to reframe the case to help PC port, but that 5% is STILL abysmal when you consider it was a slew of massive titles releasing in 1 year
Imagine if Nintendo ported Super Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros and Pokemon Sword and only made $200m ?
You think they'd be celebrating that as a success?
yeah stop selling old games and new game prices. release new games at new game prices.
I don't care if they put their GaaS games on PC Day One, I fully support that actually. Tent-pole single player games on the other hand I don't support. PS4 games being ported were fine. The generation was over. There is no excuse or reason why PS5 exclusives are being sent to PC to die and then we get articles about how bad the sales and player retention are... Unless Jim Ryan has a kink for getting publicly ridiculed.
Not effort... just correcting your math.A for effort for trying to reframe the case to help PC port, but that 5% is STILL abysmal when you consider it was a slew of massive titles releasing in 1 year
Imagine if Nintendo ported Super Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Mario Kart 8, Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros and Pokemon Sword and only made $200m ?
First-party revenue in FY2023 (that ended in March 31, 2023) was $3.67 billion including your PC revenue.
So if PC did $200 million it was around 5% of the actual revenue.
They are not celebrating it because it was below what they forecast.
PC titles under performed and the only thing that saved them was Bungie's Destiny (that over performed).
They expected around $250m and ended probably below $200m.
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