Horizon Forbidden West cracked and pirated within 30 seconds of release.

xollowsob

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Those people are either misinformed or riding the bottom end of system requirements. In other words it's total nonsense.
It's not nonsense. A person who hits the MINIMUM requirements to play the game, shouldn't be locked out of playing the game because of dumb software

Are you boycotting all games that have DRM? What is your problem with Denuvo?

I'm boycotting all games with any DRM. Denuvo does nothing but tank performance of legitimate owners, while pirates get the better version, for free.

It makes no wonder that £50 version with worse performance is less desirable than free version with better performance.

Anti piracy does nothing except scrape your data and sell it to 3rd parties
Do you just want for PlayStation to stop making these games as more and more people start to pirate them?
I don't know how old you are buddy, but piracy has been around as long as I remember (Amiga) and probably before that.
YMMV but everyone I knew - apart from one fat kid who bought an N64 because he wanted to be different, bought a PS1 because of how easy it was to buy 'cheap' aka copied, aka pirated games.
Those people went on to buy PS2 and 3 without a second though and without pirating.
Hell I bet some of them are on the PS5 right now.

I'm not saying piracy is a good thing, I'm saying it's a nothing. It changes nothing and has been around for decades.

Anti-piracy is the gaming equivalent of the war on drugs; expensive, screws over people, does nothing to stop the problem.
 

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It's not nonsense. A person who hits the MINIMUM requirements to play the game, shouldn't be locked out of playing the game because of dumb software



I'm boycotting all games with any DRM. Denuvo does nothing but tank performance of legitimate owners, while pirates get the better version, for free.

It makes no wonder that £50 version with worse performance is less desirable than free version with better performance.

Anti piracy does nothing except scrape your data and sell it to 3rd parties

I don't know how old you are buddy, but piracy has been around as long as I remember (Amiga) and probably before that.
YMMV but everyone I knew - apart from one fat kid who wanted to be different, bought a PS1 because of how easy it was to buy 'cheap' aka copied, aka pirated games.
Those people went on to buy PS2 and 3 without a second though and without pirating.
Hell I bet some of them are on the PS5 right now.

I'm not saying piracy is a good thing, I'm saying it's a nothing. It changes nothing and has been around for decades.

Anti-piracy is the gaming equivalent of the war on drugs; expensive, screws over people, does nothing to stop the problem.
Hum. So you only buy games on GoG?

I'm temped to look at your history to see what you've been playing and if those games are even available DRM free.

You sound a lot like a typical PC pirate trying to gaslight Sony and PlayStation fans.

All the evidence is there:
- Big defender of emulator
- Claims to be against DRM and to boycott games with DRM.

Imagine paying for content that can be watched for free on legal, legitimate websites.
You seem to be big into movie piracy as well, claiming that Netflix content can be watched for free on "legal" websites.
 
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Denuvo is a must for PlayStation games on PC and it's shame Sony has already released so many games without it. A complete disgrace to the people supporting their games and expecting more games in the future.

Right now we are at an all time low for Sony published PlayStation games on PlayStation and at an all time high for PlayStation published games released on PC. PC support is directly affecting the output of PS5 games.
taking a look at their games right now: absolutely zero of their games use Denuvo at all, that is wild. Even Ghost of Tsushima isn't using it.

Helldivers 2 is the only game with DRM/Anti-Cheat and its nProtect.

The only plus I see to this is you can freely mod their games, which is cool.
 

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Steam db shows HFW as:
  • Top 1 in "trending games"
  • Top 1 in "popular releases"
  • Top 3 in "top selling games" (which means Helldivers 2 went down to top 4)
I don't know how old you are buddy, but piracy has been around as long as I remember (Amiga) and probably before that.
I was there in the Amiga days and the generation of computers before it (Amstrad CPC, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, MSX...). There was a huge amount of piracy on both.

I bought many games for my Amstrad CPC, but most of the games I got were pirated. For Amiga, the only 8 games and apps I bought were the ones included with the computer.

In consoles around that time in the south of Europe (pre-GB and SNES days) it was the age of the NES, but almost nobody had an official NES: most people had clone consoles with embedded games or multi-game pirate cartridges, but at least people also bought some original NES game.

After that, in the GB+SNES+MD era the piracy in console became something rare and expensive: there were some very rare to find multigame GB cartridges, which only had a few and often not popular game. And devices to make pirate copies of SNES games in diskettes or to run Japanese games, but these devices were too expensive for most people.

Pre-Amiga days there was a lot of piracy in the arcades too: at least in Europe, without internet and cheap flights we have today, the world was way less globalized so many people didn't give a fuck about copyright laws. Many local companies build their own unlicensed arcade machines versions of foreign games, quite often copying the game board, and sometimes changing the game design, art or texts (even the name) a bit: what are known as bootlegs.

In the case of Spain, some games got localized, improved the hud, changed its difficulty (normally to make it harder to monetize it more), but sometimes also new features or even innovations (such as adding leaderboards to a game that didn't have them, the first case of "continue?" or final boss) and in some cases even built entirely different games on boards originally designed for other games. Or did use a board of a foreign game to put there a pirate copy of another foreign game.

Shaw layden ,Jim Ryan come outside. Explain it to to toki hiroki and the goofy bean counters.
George Costanza Good Job GIF
Each port costs them barely a couple million dollars and they are generating several hundreds of millions of dollars and a huge yearly growth with their first party games outside PS, which means PC ports it's a low risk and very profitable business for them. This is why Totoki wans to continue pushing there now that they need to improve their profitability.

Without this, the movies and in a near future mobile gaming and instead geting stuck in their console, specially without GaaS titles there wouldn't be a long term business for PS unless it was shutting down most teams and making only way smaller, way shorter games wihout high end visuals because the sales of big AAA SP games quickly scale every generation and even with the record growth they have in their console userbase and business most games (selling as Bloodborne or Days Gone did) wouldn't be profitable anymore.

I'm boycotting all games with any DRM.
So you don't buy any Steam or console game at all? Because all of them have DRM.
 
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Hum. So you only buy games on GoG?
I don't buy games.
I'm waiting for to buy either a PS5 or Xbox console before I pick up BG3 and DD2

Outside of that, I'll have a dabble on gamepass or play one of the games on my backlog. If I spend 40 hours in NV that's a couple of weeks worth of gaming time. The year soon passes without needing to make a purchase.

Back in the 360 days I would buy every new game day one. Now I ain't got time for that shit. Plus, I refuse point blank to buy a modern game on day 1 when they're broke, expensive and missing fucking features.
I'm temped to look at your history to see what you've been playing and if those games are even available DRM free.
Don't be a weird pervert.
 
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Dying platform. Piracy murdered software sales on the old consoles til they put better protections in place. Now consoles reach ridiculous revenue and tie ratio numbers while piracy-prone platforms are looked upon with disdain.

Steam literally broke a ccu record this week with 36 million people. But sure, go ahead and tell lies.
PC gamers really don’t like paying for games.

Of course. That's why games keep breaking ccu records on Steam.
 

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Dying platform. Piracy murdered software sales on the old consoles til they put better protections in place. Now consoles reach ridiculous revenue and tie ratio numbers while piracy-prone platforms are looked upon with disdain.
We already shown you the numbers tha prove this is wrong. PC has been growing in the last decade or so and has relatively similar numbers to the console market.
 

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We already shown you the numbers tha prove this is wrong. PC has been growing in the last decade or so and has relatively similar numbers to the console market.
No, you showed two completely conflicting charts (consoles at 50 and 30b) and even included the French chart which showed PC shrinking over the last 5 years.

Let's get that straight, thanks. And the numbers are nowhere near similar - what a blatant lie. There are two threads with hard data for the UK and France which show that PC is dying and the software sales just aren't there.
 
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Somehow it's unsustainable to invest an make single player games that sell 10m+ even 20m+ on PlayStation but somehow investing on porting those same games to PC where they'll be cracked day one, exposing them to mass piracy and selling a fraction of that on Steam with Valve getting a 30% cut makes those games viable.

Sony deserves to lose their grip on their console market since they clearly do not value it.
 

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Somehow it's unsustainable to invest an make single player games that sell 10m+ even 20m+ on PlayStation but somehow investing on porting those same games to PC where they'll be cracked day one, exposing them to mass piracy and selling a fraction of that on Steam with Valve getting a 30% cut makes those games viable.

Sony deserves to lose their grip on their console market since they clearly do not value it.
Well said. It's blatant propaganda from steam creamers. All stats point to high engagement (for F2P?) and low sales for multiplatform releases on the dying PC platform compared to consoles.
 

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Somehow it's unsustainable to invest an make single player games that sell 10m+ even 20m+ on PlayStation but somehow investing on porting those same games to PC where they'll be cracked day one, exposing them to mass piracy and selling a fraction of that on Steam with Valve getting a 30% cut makes those games viable.

Sony deserves to lose their grip on their console market since they clearly do not value it.

Honestly they do deserve it.

Arrogant Sony Is the worst Sony which we are seeing currently riding on the success of the PS4.

Same thing happened after the PS2.

Let them get bitten hard again.
 

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Honestly they do deserve it.

Arrogant Sony Is the worst Sony which we are seeing currently riding on the success of the PS4.

Same thing happened after the PS2.

Let them get bitten hard again.
We really need Xbox to exit the market officially and for a new player to give it a shot (maybe even Nintendo).
 
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No, you showed two completely conflicting charts (consoles at 50 and 30b) and even included the French chart which showed PC shrinking over the last 5 years.

Let's get that straight, thanks. And the numbers are nowhere near similar - what a blatant lie. There are two threads with hard data for the UK and France which show that PC is dying and the software sales just aren't there.

So "weak" PC numbers in UK and France means the PC is dying?

Is the survival of PC gaming up to people in the UK and France?