In their debut week, Hi-Fi Rush reportedly outperformed Forspoken on Steam
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As much as I am looking forward to playing both Forespoken and Hifi, Hifi is very different from the kinds of games we've seen for nigh on 10 years. It makes no wonder more people are wanting to play a breathe of fresh air.
I think games like Hi-FI Rush gravitate more with the Steam audience, in all honesty. I mean look at what's in the current Top 10 Concurrent:
None of these are story-heavy games (GTA5 being in there is almost exclusively for GTA Online), they are MP-centric and can be enjoyed in short stretches of 2 or so hours while getting your fill with them. A lot of them are also very colorful and less "serious" types of game (well in the case of Goose Goose Duck), and run well on lower-end hardware specs.
Forspoken doesn't really meet any of those criteria, while HiFi Rush does. It's also less than half the price of Forspoken so, all things considered, it's not surprising it's outsold Forspoken on Steam. It's a game that caters more to Steam's gaming audience, it's a rather short game, vibrant/colorful, not really epic/serious in storytelling or being cinematic, seems experimental in an "indie" kind of way etc.
Forspoken's mixed reviews probably also didn't help, and while it's a niche factor, I have heard Steam has a problem with certain, <ahem>, "problematic" groups part of fascist communities who would have very ridiculous reasons to try suppressing Forspoken review scores or reception. Again, probably a fringe factor but a release as advertised as Forspoken would probably attract some of those types to counter it on fraudulent grounds.
I think what's more concerning are the completion rates for HiFi Rush on Xbox, apparently it's less than 1%. How does this keep happening? First Pentiment, now this game. Is it just a lot of big talk from diehards in that community when they get a game like this yet, none of them actually invest serious time into them? HiFi's like an 8-hour game, you could beat it in a weekend between two afternoons if you wanted.
| Name | Current Players | Last 30 Days | Peak Players | Hours Played | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | Counter-Strike: Global Offensive | 1,074,059 | 1,199,684 | 531,471,443 | |
| 2. | Dota 2 | 546,183 | 764,490 | 316,854,619 | |
| 3. | PUBG: BATTLEGROUNDS | 415,546 | 465,423 | 150,716,581 | |
| 4. | Apex Legends | 394,122 | 413,670 | 145,419,573 | |
| 5. | Goose Goose Duck | 355,119 | 701,898 | 89,882,395 | |
| 6. | Lost Ark | 157,691 | 333,008 | 129,123,584 | |
| 7. | Grand Theft Auto V | 150,772 | 176,528 | 81,669,615 | |
| 8. | Wallpaper Engine | 125,540 | 134,459 | 58,791,043 | |
| 9. | Team Fortress 2 | 100,719 | 137,754 | 69,961,488 | |
| 10. | NARAKA: BLADEPOINT | 96,940 | 124,913 | 36,882,248 |
None of these are story-heavy games (GTA5 being in there is almost exclusively for GTA Online), they are MP-centric and can be enjoyed in short stretches of 2 or so hours while getting your fill with them. A lot of them are also very colorful and less "serious" types of game (well in the case of Goose Goose Duck), and run well on lower-end hardware specs.
Forspoken doesn't really meet any of those criteria, while HiFi Rush does. It's also less than half the price of Forspoken so, all things considered, it's not surprising it's outsold Forspoken on Steam. It's a game that caters more to Steam's gaming audience, it's a rather short game, vibrant/colorful, not really epic/serious in storytelling or being cinematic, seems experimental in an "indie" kind of way etc.
Forspoken's mixed reviews probably also didn't help, and while it's a niche factor, I have heard Steam has a problem with certain, <ahem>, "problematic" groups part of fascist communities who would have very ridiculous reasons to try suppressing Forspoken review scores or reception. Again, probably a fringe factor but a release as advertised as Forspoken would probably attract some of those types to counter it on fraudulent grounds.
I think what's more concerning are the completion rates for HiFi Rush on Xbox, apparently it's less than 1%. How does this keep happening? First Pentiment, now this game. Is it just a lot of big talk from diehards in that community when they get a game like this yet, none of them actually invest serious time into them? HiFi's like an 8-hour game, you could beat it in a weekend between two afternoons if you wanted.
what's the story here? One got abysmal reviews and the other didn't.
a 60 metascore is a deathblow to any new retail release. Once people saw the scores... surprise, no one bought it.
a 60 metascore is a deathblow to any new retail release. Once people saw the scores... surprise, no one bought it.
Thicc, you've been slipping up lately. Here's some relevant info that anyone can look up in a few mins.
1. The completion ratio for HF Rush on Xbox is not less than 1%, it's 3% for beating the final boss and finishing the story. I know that doesn't sound much but its a 200% increase.
The less than 1% you are talking about is the difference in what difficulty trophy you get post-game. The game has multiple difficulties and a unique trophy for each one.
2. For a purely academic research, lets compare between 2 popular trophy/achievement tracking sites. Trueachievements for Xbox and PSN Profiles for PS5 (I am registered on both, just a tangent)
3785 people have gotten the achievement for beating the final boss.
522 people have gotten the trophy for finishing the final chapter in Forspoken (it is not tied to difficulty from what I can find)
Note: The above results do not reflect the total PSN/XBL stats in the world, but they are a good sample as these 2 are the biggest known tracking sites for either platform.
They are both flops. Hi-Fi is not in the top 50 on Xbox (or top 100 paid). Steam is all Hi-Fi have (and the peak was only 6k). What a sad life for this game and Tango.
At least Forspoken was number 1 on PS5 until Dead Space came out. Now it's number 2.
At least Forspoken was number 1 on PS5 until Dead Space came out. Now it's number 2.
So it'll be dead very soon then. Which seems to be reinforced by the Xbox most played charts.
Wow, 3% on an ~10 hour game? Damn, you showed @thicc_girls_are_teh_best how wrong he was!
For a purely academic research, Forspoken is an open world game that can take as much as ~40h to complete vs a linear game that takes ~10. You showed him!
Y'all be slipping if that's the case then, cause this is what I've been told:
Also:
How long is Forspoken? | HowLongToBeat
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Main story: 14hrs
Main story + Extras: 20 hrs
But if you're a slow gamer, nothing wrong with that. Respect.
Thank you, here all day
It should be higher, though. I mean come on it's like an 8-hour game. The devs made it pretty easy to play, there's little in the way of big fail states, good checkpoints and all the such. I thought the completion rate would be at least 10% if not higher.
Okay, fair enough.
To be fair to Forspoken, it's a much longer game and probably a more difficult one, too. I wouldn't be surprised it takes longer to beat the final boss in it. I sometimes actually wonder just how high completion rates are in open-world games, though.
I see you do have a rough estimate of how long Forspoken is, but that's probably only if you rush through things and don't take any time to experiment with the different abilities, build types, let alone additional content. And who's really playing open-world games just to simply rush through the story missions?
True true, the only thing against Forspoken's completion rate is that its a bigger game by its nature, I agree and acknowledge that.
But to counter that, only ~2600 people have completed the games first/prologue/New York chapter
Which is still lower than all of HF Rush's completion tracking.
My point is that I believe for a new IP that wasn't heavily advertised, up for pre-order etc, before, HF Rush is seemingly doing ok.
But to counter that, only ~2600 people have completed the games first/prologue/New York chapter
Which is still lower than all of HF Rush's completion tracking.
My point is that I believe for a new IP that wasn't heavily advertised, up for pre-order etc, before, HF Rush is seemingly doing ok.
@adamsapple Even if it is 28h, we're talking about a game that takes as much as ~3 times to complete and is open-world to boot vs a linear game. But I actually wanted to address something else. This claim right here.
Now, as you can see, the current estimates put Forspoken at 113k units sold on steam, vs 102k units sold for Hi-Fi rush.
vginsights.com
vginsights.com
the gross revenue is 2.5X higher for Forspoken.
And if you doubt their methodology, never fear!
vginsights.com
Also, you had mentioned somewhere that the top-sellers chart shows the highest revenue. This is true but, in your own fashion, you "forgot" a couple of things:
partner.steamgames.com
Now onto trophies because you also made a point of those. Currently, 4.4% of people completed Hi-Fi rush on steam in the normal difficulty. There's an additional 3.2% in hard (which may or may not be the same people beating the game again). For Xbox, and assuming trueachievements is somehow trust worthy, 1% completed on easy, 4% on normal, 1% on hard, and <1% on Very Hard and Rhythm Master. The completion ration for the highest gamer score trophies is negligible.
www.trueachievements.com
On forspoken, there's zero trophies on steam that are granted upon completing the game, but on the PS version there's a platinum trophy. 3.53% of people tracked actually platinumed the game, 5.69% completed the archive and 5.46% defeated all four abominations.
The kind of bullshit nonsense you've been spewing is absolutely ridiculous. I'll repeat what I've said many times before - If you're not paid for the type of bullshit you write, you're really that stupid. It kinda shows though, since even GAF, the Xbox astroturfing haven, has banned you.
PS: I don't give a fuck about Forspoken, won't even bargain bin it. I'm enjoying Hi-fi rush.
Edit:
psnprofiles doesn't show all PSN accounts, so the absolute 2600 number is bullshit. Look at % if you want to be just a tiny bit honest with yourself. 98% of tracked accounts completed that trophy.
Now, as you can see, the current estimates put Forspoken at 113k units sold on steam, vs 102k units sold for Hi-Fi rush.
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Video Game Insights – Games industry data and analysis
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the gross revenue is 2.5X higher for Forspoken.
And if you doubt their methodology, never fear!
How to Estimate Steam Video Game Sales? | Video Game Insights
This article lays out a way of estimating how many units any Steam game has sold. It uses an advanced version of what’s been known as the Boxleiter method or the NB number – estimating Steam game units sold using the number of reviews they’ve got.
vginsights.com
Also, you had mentioned somewhere that the top-sellers chart shows the highest revenue. This is true but, in your own fashion, you "forgot" a couple of things:
Top Sellers Lists (Steamworks Documentation)
Now onto trophies because you also made a point of those. Currently, 4.4% of people completed Hi-Fi rush on steam in the normal difficulty. There's an additional 3.2% in hard (which may or may not be the same people beating the game again). For Xbox, and assuming trueachievements is somehow trust worthy, 1% completed on easy, 4% on normal, 1% on hard, and <1% on Very Hard and Rhythm Master. The completion ration for the highest gamer score trophies is negligible.
Hi-Fi RUSH Achievements
Full list of all 71 Hi-Fi RUSH achievements worth 1,250 gamerscore. It takes around 60-80 hours to unlock all of the achievements in the base game.
On forspoken, there's zero trophies on steam that are granted upon completing the game, but on the PS version there's a platinum trophy. 3.53% of people tracked actually platinumed the game, 5.69% completed the archive and 5.46% defeated all four abominations.
The kind of bullshit nonsense you've been spewing is absolutely ridiculous. I'll repeat what I've said many times before - If you're not paid for the type of bullshit you write, you're really that stupid. It kinda shows though, since even GAF, the Xbox astroturfing haven, has banned you.
PS: I don't give a fuck about Forspoken, won't even bargain bin it. I'm enjoying Hi-fi rush.
Edit:
psnprofiles doesn't show all PSN accounts, so the absolute 2600 number is bullshit. Look at % if you want to be just a tiny bit honest with yourself. 98% of tracked accounts completed that trophy.
Hey man, the time it took you to find all that, you could have just read my post above yours to save you the hassle of needing to write that lol.
I acknowledge that Forspoken may have a longer completion time owing to its nature.
But the # of people who have unlocked the prologue trophy is also much lower than the # of people who have beaten all of HF Rush to its completion.
And again, I'm not counting nebulous percentages, I'm counting the hard number of people written on the websites which have unlocked the cheev/trophies.
~2600 tracked people beat Forspoken's first chapter
~3700 tracked people beat Hi-Fi Rush's final boss
And remember, only one of these games had a lengthy pre-order period.
Surely you're not gonna tell me that the prologue in Forspoken takes longer than 10~12 hours now
I acknowledge that Forspoken may have a longer completion time owing to its nature.
But the # of people who have unlocked the prologue trophy is also much lower than the # of people who have beaten all of HF Rush to its completion.
And again, I'm not counting nebulous percentages, I'm counting the hard number of people written on the websites which have unlocked the cheev/trophies.
~2600 tracked people beat Forspoken's first chapter
~3700 tracked people beat Hi-Fi Rush's final boss
And remember, only one of these games had a lengthy pre-order period.
Surely you're not gonna tell me that the prologue in Forspoken takes longer than 10~12 hours now
Hey man, the time it took you to find all that, you could have just read my post above yours to save you the hassle of needing to write that lol.
I acknowledge that Forspoken may have a longer completion time owing to its nature.
But the # of people who have unlocked the prologue trophy is also much lower than the # of people who have beaten all of HF Rush to its completion.
And again, I'm not counting nebulous percentages, I'm counting the hard number of people written on the websites which have unlocked the cheev/trophies.
~2600 tracked people beat Forspoken's first chapter
~3700 tracked people beat Hi-Fi Rush's final boss
And remember, only one of these games had a lengthy pre-order period.
Surely you're not gonna tell me that the prologue in Forspoken takes longer.
Absolute numbers again, this time for DIFFERENT WEBSITES. Damn, you're really a dishonest fuck.
I'll reply: Absolute numbers mean fuck all when tracking trophies. Some accounts are private or semi private, and the way Xbox and Sony have their APIs exposed varies wildly.