Jason Schreier/Bloomberg: PlayStation boss Jim Ryan is stepping down
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Broadening the appeal by selling less consoles than ever and by buying franchises already available on PC/mobile/consoles and making them available on...PC/mobile and consoles
1-3 millions for games that sold 20+ millions on consoles is nothing. You named the biggest ones, the rest is struggling and flopping badly. Where is this big untapped PC market? They absent. No show.
You have the worst business sense this side of Phil Sphincter, but it's not as bad as a service that offers access to over 100 mediocre games, all the benefits of Xbox Live Gold (valued at $0) and an EA Play membership for one outrageous monthly price.
Subscriptions are value destructive and anyone who says otherwise immediately gets the dunce hat in my eyes. God, Phil is stupid.
Sony can never genuinely challenge Microsoft in the PC space as long as Microsoft are the ones who own the predominant OS for PC gaming, Windows, AND the predominant API suite for PC game programming/development, DirectX.
Maybe refresh on what Microsoft's goals were for entering gaming originally, and how they never gave up on those main goals. It wasn't mainly to "rule the living room" by having the most popular gaming brand with the cool factor among gamers. It was to make their OS and gaming APIs the undisputed picks in the gaming scene, and through that, force companies like Sony to adopt their tech no matter what.
Sony making a big focus on PC without even their own storefront/launcher is a much bigger win for Microsoft than it is for Sony, and that's all due to Microsoft's years of monopolistic growth for Windows and DirectX in the PC space during the '90s and '00s, cementing them.
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No.Contradictive statement?
Broadening the appeal of the Xbox brand by OWNING these franchises now. The Xbox brand becomes more famous on multiple platforms.Broadening the appeal by selling less consoles than ever and by buying franchises already available on PC/mobile/consoles and making them available on...PC/mobile and consoles
2023: "Activision-Blizzard-King made a lot of successful blockbuster games on multiple platforms."
2024 - * : "Microsoft makes a lot of successful blockbuster games on multiple platforms."
20+ million copies after it launched as a NEW game on their target platform where their veteran community is.
1 - 3 million for OLD games on a new platform.
Remember how much God of War, Sly Copper, Killzone, Syphon Filter, Ico, Resistance, Infamous or Jak & Daxter on PS2- PS3 sold? 1 - 4 million copies. You start small and then you grow. Not every Sony game sells 20+ million copies on PS5. Ratchet & Clank sold ~1 million copies after 1 1/2 months on PS5. Returnal sold ~500k copies after 3 months on the PS5.
Not every game is Uncharted, God of War, TLOU, Spider-Man, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima. Not every studio is Naughty Dog, Santa Monica Studio, Guerrilla or Sucker Punch. PlayStation Studios currently has only 4 studios that can make 15 - 20+ million sellers.
Jim Ryan and Sony Group's BOD have good "business sense". That's the reason why PS5 keeps growing and is more successful than ever before. They know that PC & Mobile are markets where PS can make a lot of money. They want to expand. It's the reason why Take 2 bought Zynga and why Microsoft bought Activision-Blizzard-King. Meanwhile you're console warring on a gaming forum. Be better.
Microsoft acquired ZeniMax Media, Activision, Blizzard, KING and another 15 dev studios. Studios/publishers with a ton of popular and successful IPs. The days of "Microsoft only makes mediocre games" are over.
That doesn't matter. In the end it's all about the games. And you can't just ignore the PC market where games like Destiny, Marathon, God of War and TLOU could make a ton of money. Be present. Be successful. Grow. Expand your brand. It doesn't matter if another publisher is more successful, as long as you are successful too.
Some of the best decisions Sony ever made made is to NOT make their own storefront/launcher and to not enter the movie streaming wars in a big way like Netflix, Apple, Disney, Peacock, Amazon, HBO and Paramount+ did.
Look how much success Microsoft had with their storefront on PC. Or Epic. Or GOG. No one can rival Steam. There is a reason why Microsoft thought about acquiring Valve.
It is what it is.
Crazy how people make excuses and jump through major mental gymnastics to try prove what MS is doing is right.
Everything MS is doing now is because XB1 was a disaster of a console. Their games on PC was the start of this. They had no choice. Softwares sales were abysmal and have gotten poorer since then. Gamepass was another outcome because of that. Which is not even a new concept since Sony already created a streaming since 2013.
Sony does not need to do anything at all MS is doing. They should be running in the opposite direction. Can’t compare a last place company to a successful company.
Everything MS is doing now is because XB1 was a disaster of a console. Their games on PC was the start of this. They had no choice. Softwares sales were abysmal and have gotten poorer since then. Gamepass was another outcome because of that. Which is not even a new concept since Sony already created a streaming since 2013.
Sony does not need to do anything at all MS is doing. They should be running in the opposite direction. Can’t compare a last place company to a successful company.
In 2 and a half months GoW Ragnarok sold over 11M copies. Your argument is invalid.
Do you realize that the “PC” platform is just a Microsoft environment?
Nobody will see Call Of Duty or Candy Crush as the Xbox brand same way nobody associates Skyrim with Xbox or even Minecraft. They deserve zero credit for any of that. The only people that care are the xbots and twitter warriors. If they put their logo on it the sales will tank so fast and they know it. The most toxic and rejected brand in gaming.
I'd rather venerate Kotick than Phil for COD.
We have the sales numbers and that's not happening. It's decreasing with every release, no growth. The trajectory is going down. Playing Playstation games on PC was a short-lived novelty and it died real fast. No hype and no demand anymore.
Two things before I leave you to type into the void.
- Both of those acquisitions (Zynga and ABK) are mobile focused.
- You must be posting from 2020 because nothing Zenimax has put out since the acquisition has been anything but mediocre.
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So what you are saying is that.... Microsoft is actually doing the right thing now? The old strategy failed and now they're doing something different.
Who cares? That's like saying Sony and Nintendo shouldn't make mobile games because its a Google & Apple enviroment.
It's about making money and let your brand grow. And there is a ton of money to be made on PC and Mobile. Just ask Sony Music Aniplex for example.
NO ONE CARES about any "credit". Only fanboys do so they feel better with their list wars. Minecraft is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Skyrim is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Starfield is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Elder Scrolls is a Micrsoft Xbox/IP. Crash Bandicoot is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Spyro the Dragon is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Doom is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Quake is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Fallout is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Wolfenstein is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. World of Warcraft is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Starcraft is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Diablo is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Overwatch is a Microsoft/Xbox IP. Call of Duty is a Microsoft/Xbox IP.
NO kid/teen cares that Markus Persson made Minecraft. They just want to play Minecraft. And Microsoft owns the IP. And the Xbox logo appears when you start the game. The majority of Call of Duty gamers do NOT care that Vince Zampella from Respawn (EA) invented/created Call of Duty. It's an Activision IP and Microsoft owns it. And soon the Xbox logo will appear when you start the game.
Numbers "are going down" because you are comparing God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn with Returnal, Sackboy: A Big Adventure and Ratchet & Clank. Maybe compare God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn's sales numbers on PS4 with Returnal, Sackboy: A Big Adventure and Ratchet & Clank on PS5. You will see that "numbers are decreasing on PS5". Must mean releasing games on PS5 is a flop strategy, am I right?
ABK was "also" for mobile. But not ONLY for mobile. Don't believe everything Phil Spencer says to please the judges/regulators.
PlayStation needs to grow. Especially now when competitors are acquiring publishers and popular IPs. Sony's current stategy is fine. And they will continue with it.
It's going to be Eric Lempel or Lin Tao.
The irrational hatred of jim ryan is making me laugh hard. Here's a really silly post i came across on twitter.
Some of his weird points highlighted
No twitter account - Who the gives a shit about this? He clearly want's a phil spencer in charge tweeting useless things to make him feel better.
Sony bend closed - Is he talking about bend studio? No they didn't, sony bend is still open, wtf?
Anti social PR team - Again i don't give a shit about of some exec or social media person from sony writing pointless posts. You should be caring about games not PR team.
Undeeded remaked of TLOU 1 - Another smooth brain take, tlou 1 remake was a great strategy as the show came out and it was a way to get people in to the franchise by offering an up to date version of the game on the ps5, it actually did decent on the charts. Obviously the PC release was bad, but i could careless about the pc beggers getting slop.
KOTOR disaster - Nothing to do with jim ryan
I agree with maybe 1 or 2 of this points but some his other points really highlight the hatred of jim ryan is misplaced.
Some of his weird points highlighted
No twitter account - Who the gives a shit about this? He clearly want's a phil spencer in charge tweeting useless things to make him feel better.
Sony bend closed - Is he talking about bend studio? No they didn't, sony bend is still open, wtf?
Anti social PR team - Again i don't give a shit about of some exec or social media person from sony writing pointless posts. You should be caring about games not PR team.
Undeeded remaked of TLOU 1 - Another smooth brain take, tlou 1 remake was a great strategy as the show came out and it was a way to get people in to the franchise by offering an up to date version of the game on the ps5, it actually did decent on the charts. Obviously the PC release was bad, but i could careless about the pc beggers getting slop.
KOTOR disaster - Nothing to do with jim ryan
I agree with maybe 1 or 2 of this points but some his other points really highlight the hatred of jim ryan is misplaced.
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Ito resigned last year, they wont bring back Layden or Tretton.
Lempel and Hulst have not really proven that they have a good vision or capability to develop PlayStation.
Lin Tao MIGHT be decent but I dont know enough about her....
The other candidate I can think of is Keiichiro Urata, his Capcom background and focus on Asia and Japan are pluses in my opinion.
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Yes, this is not normal anymore. Sony should be more aggressive towards Bloomberg.
Yeah. I'm not sure where he's getting the idea that Sony bend was closed from.
That's just completely false.They're even working on a new ip.
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