Jason Schreier/Bloomberg: PlayStation boss Jim Ryan is stepping down

[On Demand]

Elden Ring sold 15 million in one year because it was multiplatform. It would not have if was PlayStation exclusive for instance. Same goes for Hogwarts, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Skyrim… etc…. So… wrong?

Sony first party games regularly sell equal to and more than that. Where have you been?

 

[flaccidsnake]

For the love of……please can people stop bringing up sales as a good reason for games being multi platform? No it is not as has shown a bunch of times.

More often than not multi platform games have flopped in sales compared to exclusive games selling millions.

It's literally what Jim Ryan says, who is in a better position to know.

 

[Johnic]

Elden Ring sold 15 million in one year because it was multiplatform. It would not have if was PlayStation exclusive for instance. Same goes for Hogwarts, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Skyrim… etc…. So… wrong?

But PS exclusives sell like crap on PC. Horizon ZD sold the most and it's only at 2.8 million as of last year. The others sold much less. God of War didn't even break a million in two and a half months. That's less than day one sales on consoles. It sold 5 million in a month on PS4.

All this talk about PC gamers wanting games but they don't buy them.

 

[Vertigo]

But PS exclusives sell like crap on PC. Horizon ZD sold the most and it's only at 2.8 million as of last year. The others sold much less. God of War didn't even break a million in two and a half months. That's less than day one sales on consoles. It sold 5 million in a month on PS4.

All this talk about PC gamers wanting games but they don't buy them.

No one is in a rush to buy years old ports of games when their retail run has already been exchausted. Those port jobs are just easy money.

 

[Swift_Star]

Elden Ring sold 15 million in one year because it was multiplatform. It would not have if was PlayStation exclusive for instance. Same goes for Hogwarts, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Skyrim… etc…. So… wrong? Not all games are created equal of course but there’s no doubt being multiplatform is what helped all those games sell 10s of millions .

And ToTK sold more than it in less than a year being exclusive.
Case closed.

 

[flaccidsnake]

And ToTK sold more than it in less than a year being exclusive.
Case closed.

Cool, Capcom will probably go Nintendo exclusive then.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

Elden Ring sold 15 million in one year because it was multiplatform. It would not have if was PlayStation exclusive for instance. Same goes for Hogwarts, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Skyrim… etc…. So… wrong? Not all games are created equal of course but there’s no doubt being multiplatform is what helped all those games sell 10s of millions .

For every Elden Ring or Hogwarts there are literally dozens of multiplatforms games coming out every week. None of them are selling these numbers.

Stuff like Elden Ring and Cyberpunk are exceptions. It's always the same 2, 3 games mentioned in these topics because nobody can find other examples

Wo Long and Wild Hearts sold more than Nioh? Immortals of Aveum is multiplat, selling millions? Saints Row? Callisto? Final Fantasy Stranger of Paradise is multiplat, is it at 10 millions yet? It should be since it's on Xbox so the millions are pouring out.

 

[Vertigo]

For every Elden Ring or Hogwarts there are literally dozens of multiplatforms games coming out every week. None of them are selling these numbers.

Stuff like Elden Ring and Cyberpunk are exceptions. It's always the same 2, 3 games mentioned in these topics because nobody can find other examples

Wo Long and Wild Hearts sold more than Nioh? Immortals of Aveum is multiplat, selling millions? Saints Row? Callisto? Final Fantasy Stranger of Paradise is multiplat, is it at 10 millions yet? It should be since it's on Xbox so the millions are pouring out.

Saints Row, Callisto, Strangers in Paradise are all dumpster fires. Being multi platform doesn’t guarantee sales. And those games would’ve sold even less if they were exclusive.

 

[Dick Jones]

Saints Row, Callisto, Strangers in Paradise are all dumpster fires. Being multi platform doesn’t guarantee sales. And those games would’ve sold even less if they were exclusive.

Stranger in Paradise isn't a dumpster fire.

 

[Plextorage]

Elden Ring sold 15 million in one year because it was multiplatform. It would not have if was PlayStation exclusive for instance. Same goes for Hogwarts, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Skyrim… etc…. So… wrong? Not all games are created equal of course but there’s no doubt being multiplatform is what helped all those games sell 10s of millions .

Sony first party games regularly sell equal to and more than that. Where have you been?

If Spidey 2 will be reviewed with decent scores, you can bet it will sell gangbusters. Really gangbusters

 

[Thunderstorm__]

The discourse surrounding game sales is so pointless I don’t know why you guys are still trying to argue with. First of all, we need to ask the question, what is Playstation? Is it just a game publisher like Konami, Capcom, or Activision or is it more than just a publisher? Sony is a game console maker who also publishes games. Sony publishes games to sell their consoles because that is the their priority. If you care so much about game sales, then just wish Sony went third party and done, now every Sony games probably sell twice as good.

 

[flaccidsnake]

The discourse surrounding game sales is so pointless I don’t know why you guys are still trying to argue with. First of all, we need to ask the question, what is Playstation? Is it just a game publisher like Konami, Capcom, or Activision or is it more than just a publisher? Sony is a game console maker who also publishes games. Sony publishes games to sell their consoles because that is the their priority. If you care so much about game sales, then just wish Sony went third party and done, now every Sony games probably sell twice as good.

Tell it to Jim Ryan and the Playstation team.

 

[Thunderstorm__]

Tell it to Jim Ryan and the Playstation team.

It’s like the Board of Directors can not do anything wrong and companies never collapsed. Please don’t reply to me, I don’t want to engage with you.

 

[AshHunter216]

It’s like the Board of Directors can not do anything wrong and companies never collapsed. Please don’t reply to me, I don’t want to engage with you.

It's like after all the Xbox trolls got banned they got replaced by PC diehards and doomposters.

 

[KiryuRealty]

The discourse surrounding game sales is so pointless I don’t know why you guys are still trying to argue with. First of all, we need to ask the question, what is Playstation? Is it just a game publisher like Konami, Capcom, or Activision or is it more than just a publisher? Sony is a game console maker who also publishes games. Sony publishes games to sell their consoles because that is the their priority. If you care so much about game sales, then just wish Sony went third party and done, now every Sony games probably sell twice as good.

We SO need a clown reaction for posts like this one.

 

[Thunderstorm__]

We SO need a clown reaction for posts like this one.

What’s wrong with my post?

 

[Vertigo]

It's like after all the Xbox trolls got banned they got replaced by PC diehards and doomposters.

The doom posts are my favorite. Literally everything points to history making success for the ps5 at the moment. And at a time when most companies are getting crushed and most devs want to work for Sony studios… can’t agree with that point of view.

Price increases … okay well … I don’t buy the anti consumer arguments. That means more things for cheap if not free. Well that’s not reality. Rising costs are everywhere and of course your wages Are lagging … tbh Sony adjusted accordingly. Games that cater to the growing demands of the modern gamer cost an epic shit ton of money to make.

At the end of the day they proven that institutionally whatever culture they got actually works in fostering game development. Something Microsoft is incapable of.

 

[Abdizur]

It will continue to be the dumbest decision Sony has made if so. Point blank.

Letting the PlayStation brand grow to make more money is smart. Not growing, so fanboys on social media and forums can't brag about their "list of exclusives" is dumb. That's why Jim Ryan is the CEO of SIE while basement-dwellers like Pyo and CrapGamer are crying on Twitter because more people can play SIE/Xbox 1st party games.

I doubt we will see some big increase in PC ports of PS5 games, as the financial incentive simply isn't at an adequate level to ramp things up.

We will see the GAAS products and ports of major exclusives, but I think they will stay at the one-year minimum holdback for the most part, if not longer.

That said, it hasn't harmed PS5 in any way whatsoever. The whole bullshit line about Making PS5 less special" is just infantile whining about having to share your toys. The only way PC ports would hurt PS5 is If Sony started to prioritize PC builds, and the fact that they bought a porting studio shows that that isn't going to happen.

People need to chill.

And, as always, fuck PC games, PC gamers and PC gaming in general.

The 12 Live-Service games are coming and Nixxes is growing. So more PC ports are on the Horizon.

("First person games" = 1st party games)

And SIE/Jim Ryan already mentioned that they are going to acquire more so they get stronger in areas in which they aren't strong at present. Which means PlayStation PC and PlayStation Mobile.

But PS exclusives sell like crap on PC. Horizon ZD sold the most and it's only at 2.8 million as of last year. The others sold much less. God of War didn't even break a million in two and a half months. That's less than day one sales on consoles. It sold 5 million in a month on PS4.

All this talk about PC gamers wanting games but they don't buy them.

An old game selling 2+ million copies on Steam is not "crap". It's literally free money for SIE. A small team porting an old game and it's selling almost 3 million units on Steam? Millions of profit.
A 2 year old game selling 1 - 3 million copies on Steam will always be a success for Sony.

It's literally a win-win-L scenario.
Sony: More money & the PS brand becomes even more famous.
PC Gamers: Happy because they can play more great games.
Toxic fanboys: Catching Ls & Crying.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Letting the PlayStation brand grow to make more money is smart. Not growing, so fanboys on social media and forums can't brag about their "list of exclusives" is dumb. That's why Jim Ryan is the CEO of SIE while basement-dwellers like Pyo and CrapGamer are crying on Twitter because more people can play SIE/Xbox 1st party games.

The 12 Live-Service games are coming and Nixxes is growing. So more PC ports are on the Horizon.

("First person games" = 1st party games)

And SIE/Jim Ryan already mentioned that they are going to acquire more so they get stronger in areas in which they aren't strong at present. Which means PlayStation PC and PlayStation Mobile.

An old game selling 2+ million copies on Steam is not "crap". It's literally free money for SIE. A small team porting an old game and it's selling almost 3 million units on Steam? Millions of profit.
A 2 year old game selling 1 - 3 million copies on Steam will always be a success for Sony.

It's literally a win-win-L scenario.
Sony: More money & the PS brand becomes even more famous.
PC Gamers: Happy because they can play more great games.
Toxic fanboys: Catching Ls & Crying.

Incredibly short sighted. Sony: barely more money now, appeal of the PS platform down, less money long term. They get more money long term by being home to third party titles they can collect a cut from vs broadening the appeal of their 1st party portfolio to a bunch of pirates.

Gamers know you need a Nintendo handheld to play their 1st party games and gamers also know thay any Xbox game can just be pirated and/or played on PC. One of those two is seeing record levels of success and the other is in terminal decline.

Nothing wrong with broadening the appeal btw, but unless they have conclusive proof walled gardens are about to go down, they're shooting themselves in the foot. They'd be better off hoarding IPs like Microsoft than trying to grow them organically.

 

[Abdizur]

Incredibly short sighted. Sony: barely more money now, appeal of the PS platform down, less money long term. They get more money long term by being home to third party titles they can collect a cut from vs broadening the appeal of their 1st party portfolio to a bunch of pirates.

Gamers know you need a Nintendo handheld to play their 1st party games and gamers also know thay any Xbox game can just be pirated and/or played on PC. One of those two is seeing record levels of success and the other is in terminal decline.

What's short sighted is thinking home consoles will be around forever. What's also short sighted is to let Microsoft take over the PC and Mobile marked and make the Xbox brand more famous, while Sony only focuses on home consoles because otherwise some fanboys might cry on the Internet.

Gamers know that if you want a console, you want a console. Not a PC. The typical console player plays on consoles because.... he wants consoles. He/She doesn't want an expensive Gaming-PC as the main gaming platform. Otherwise he/she would have switched long ago, because you don't have to pay for online gaming on PC, you pay way less money for games, and you can upgrade your PC whenever you want without the need to wait a mid-gen refresh.

Console gamers know that you need a PlayStation console to play Sony's 1st party games, or you have to wait 1 - 2 years to play them on PC... if your PC is strong enough.

PC gamers know you can pirate games on PC, yet old Sony games like Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War or Days Gone still sold 1 - 3 million copies.

Sony started porting their games to PC during the PS4 generation. And today, in 2023, SIE makes more money than ever and they're going to sell more home consoles this quarter than ever before. The PS5 is on track to easily outsell the PS4.
Could this mean that console gamers don't really give a shit about PC ports, because a console player plays on consoles, therefore he/she will continue to buy home consoles and videogames on PSN? I think so. Yes.

Nothing wrong with broadening the appeal btw, but unless they have conclusive proof walled gardens are about to go down, they're shooting themselves in the foot. They'd be better off hoarding IPs like Microsoft than trying to grow them organically.

Microsoft is broadening the appeal by releasing their games day 1 on PC (some are even PC exclusive at launch), buying huge & successful mobile game developers like KING (Activision-Blizzard-King) and creating the best sub service in the video game biz where you can play them on every device you own (very soon) with XCloud. This is Microsoft's big plan and it just started.
Ignoring all this because some fanboys might cry if they see a PC gamer play a Sony game is very, VERY short sighted.

Console gamers play on consoles. The amount of gamers who are going to switch to Steam because Sony is offering PC ports is so small that Sony doesn't give a fuck. And I mean the gamers who really switch platforms. Not the fanboys who cry on social media "Wahwahwah... I don't need a PlayStation anymore. I'm going to buy a PC. I'm selling my PS5 right now!!!1" and then they go to their mom's basement and keep playing Spider-Man on the PS5..... because they are console gamers and not PC gamers.

Now is the time to expand and grow. The video game industry is changing. And there will be a time where you don't even need a dedicated gaming device (hardware) to play video games. Until then, Team PlayStation has time to prepare themselves. .... or become the next Sony Walkman.