You haven’t proved me wrong, all this shows me is that we are built differently. I don’t think live service games are bad, in fact last gen I was one of the people that wanted Sony to give it another shot. Also, PC ports, “generation exclusive” titles simply do not matter to me.
I didn't say live service is necessarily bad. Please stop with the strawman arguments.
If you want to count 3rd party partnerships the list is even more embarassing, so I'll fix it.
My argument is that this gen has been lacking, and it has. You keep moving around the original argument I made to try and spin this around. It won't work.
Naughty Dog is very much due for a release, and we would have had a game from them if it weren't for the supposed executives fucking up.
This bullshit has to stop. TLOU2 took 4 years. Horizon Forbidden West (massive game) took less than 5 years. GOWR took 4 years. The argument that games are taking much longer is bullcrap. The only reason they take longer is related to clueless executives looking at an infinite growth target instead of looking at sensible releases. They want their cake and to eat it too. This generation is fucked already, and next generation (if it exists) will be even worse.
This generation they have released fewer games than last generation launch aligned. That's a fact, no matter how much you spin it, and we also know that studios like ND have had their output fucked due to a stupid live service strategy that we all could see would fail spectacularly.
I was listing last gen and this gen only, and I wanted to give this gen an unfair advantage. If I wanted to be fairer I wouldn't have included TLOU remake and Demon's Souls remake.
Look dawg
I’m not invalidating your opinion. As I stated earlier, PC ports don’t negate the games they’ve released, nor do cross gen games. What I’m telling you is that IN MY OPINION the games have been better/on par this generation thus far. I’m stating this based of personal opinion alone. Bloodborne is my favorite game of all time, and it still doesn’t save early PS4 for me.
It sure as hell didn't need it after they bought Bungie and and Helldivers 2 was a break out hit (a game that was in development since before this push).Nah, PlayStation NEVER needed a live service game....I don't know where this lie started from, but it's become generally accepted for some reason. There is no such thing as "relying on 3rd party", 3rd parties rely on PlayStation, idk how everyone seems to have forgotten that. I guess during the ABK deal, everyone was worried about CoD becoming Xbox/PC only and that nonsense was ingrained in their brains. But the concept of relying on 3rd party never had any basis in reality. The fact is they have the largest AAA gaming storefront by far with the strongest install base (Switch doesn't get most 3rd party games). When you get 30% of every other live service game, you don't need your own, that's just a fact. Apple and Google make the most money from "gaming" and don't even make games. This gaas push is purely out of greed and not necessity, they did perfectly fine last generation without a big live service game....
Jim, Hermen, and Totoki are just greedy shortsighted idiots that don't care about PlayStation and just want to squeeze as much money out of SIE as they can, no matter how much it harms PlayStation in the long run. Which explains the stupid gaas push, punching pennies on 3rd party deals, and the failed PC initiative.
I'm not against gaas where it makes sense (mlb/gt7/hd2), but Sony went about it in the worst way. They threw billions into the gaas pit overnight without a clear plan, and now the entire generation is screwed because of it. This generation would be a lot better if 75% of that live service investment instead went into single player game investment. Let 3rd party try and fail chasing GAAS ghosts.
Well the hackers on PC are doing a good job showing more of Wolverine for SIE, so an official Showcase just for that might not even be necessary
Cool then. It's a bet.
Official Showcase by end of year = 1 month ban for me.
No official Showcase by end of year = 1 month ban for you.
May the best guess win
And that's fine. I'm just asking that you don't move the goalpost constantly or strawman your argument just to come out on top somewhat.Look dawg
And this generation they are cooking very little and living off last gen's successes. As a PS fan, I demand better, I don't make excuses for their shitty throughput.
No, I only lean on facts and evidence. Clowns like Gaz just drive the point even further.
Clowns like Gaz are exactly why I'm not taking that seriously.
The guy that cries on literally every single post is saying others shouldn’t let things get under their skin?
You’ve threatened to leave the forum several times and are still here. You don’t take any anti Sony post seriously no matter how many facts are presented because you’re a corporate slave 
No, I don't take your doomposting seriously because you've proven yourself an absolute clown that doubles down on things he knows nothing about no matter what's shown to you. You think you know better than actual data in front of you. You think the industry is wrapped around your preferences and whims. And anyone who disagrees and actually looks at that data is... well lookie there, a "corporate slave".The guy that cries on literally every single post is saying others shouldn’t let things get under their skin?
Why are you lying?
point out 1 argument I’ve ever made that wasn’t backed by facts and evidence. Point out anything I’ve ever said that goes against data and I’ll buy you any game you want. I’ll wait. All constructive criticism is doom posting to you people 
A win for Sony! I will take this as the ice has been thawed a bit between both companies, hopefully.
why does it matter if the ice is thawing? It’s not like they’ll ever make a game together. If anything, it’s a bad thing, it can only lead to more Switch ports of PS 1st party games.
