Microsoft Earnings Q4 2022

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Damn man look at all these $1 charity bundle games that have come out on game pass this year alone, that I've played personally.

Such charity, much wow :ROFLMAO:

Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Outer Wilds
Spelunky 2
Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Anniversary Edition
Hitman Trilogy
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
Windjammers 2
Edge of Eternity
Madden NFL 22
Total War: Warhammer III
Dragon Ball FighterZ
Lightning Returns:Final Fantasy XIII
Marvel's Guardians Of The Galaxy
Tunic
Zero Escape: The Nonary Games
Weird West
MLB The Show 22
Life is Strange: True Colors
F1 2021
Bugsnax
NBA 2K22
Trek to Yomi
Eiyuden Chronicle: Rising
Sniper Elite 5
Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection
Assassin's Creed Origins
Shadowrun Trilogy: Console Edition
FIFA 22
Far Cry 5
Yakuza 0 / Kiwami / Kiwami 2
As Dusk Falls
Watch Dogs 2
Torment: Tides of Numenera
What a sad list of old PS Vita titles and PS3 ports. Mass Effect was literally free last week on Prime Day and it's EA Play anyway. Shadowrun Trilogy= Epic giveaway. Yakuzas = PS+. Bugsnax, Fifa22, Hitman=PS+.

You're gonna make me believe you waited all these years to play Zero Escape, Yakuza or Danganronpa? They were right there on PS4/PS+.

If you think that's impressive then what is your opinion on the PS+ games? It shits on all of that list. GOTG and Outer Wilds are there too.

Crash 4
RDR2
GOT DC
Spider-Man
Miles
Death Stranding
Yakuza Like A Dragon
Skate 1 and 2
Demons Souls
Returnal
Stray
FF7R
FFXII
YS 8 and 9
Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
ALL YAKUZAS MEGADROP
 
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Ok so I'll reply like yours:

What a sad list of PS4 remasters and games that are already on other services. :ROFLMAO:

With Returnal coming to PC soon that's about the only game on that list that was PS5 exclusive before.


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Damn, when trying to be the netflix of gaming, they should have stopped short of falling off a cliff.

Can xCloud still be depended on growing the brand via a billion Indians on their Android phones?
 
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Wow, even Xbox people expect Xbox to be dead last AND Sony to be the No1.

And what is so funny about getting 2nd behind two of the most innovative (although outdated) consoles ever? Even more so when the Switch has been on the market for 3,5 years longer and basically includes everybody interested in a 3DS successor?

Just out of curiosity: were you also laughing when the PS1 launched, a new entry in the consoles world, and Nintendo lost to it? Going by how you write, you were probably not born yet.

It's always so funny (or sad) that Nintendo becomes relevant for you guys, whenever your precious Xbox is incapable to "fight the fight" on it's own.
I was just messing around with what I posted as I have never encountered a PlayStation extremist before the Savant user. Just wanted to play into it a little bit as I find it humorous.

Joking aside and being realistic, I expect Xbox to finish 2nd or 3rd worldwide depending on if you're including Nintendo Switch. I do expect Microsoft to "win back" North America and cut the gap in Europe by around half. I do see them being the best they've been in Japan in general but only once their X-Cloud streaming service takes off there. I do include Nintendo and Switch. The only issue is that it launched in March 2017 which was in the middle of last generation and if they release Switch 2 in the middle of the current generation, it's hard to decide because instead of being lined up with Sony and Microsoft, they're in the middle. I do prefer to include them because it increases the competition and will make Microsoft and Sony do better. Or at least, that's what should happen.

Also, while Savant likes to believe im an Xbot or whatever, the reality is that in general, I play favorites to both. You can go to XboxEra and im certain that not a single user there would even think of calling me an Xbot. If anything, they would probably call me a Pony since I do tend to favor Sony's games because they're what I prefer where as Microsoft kind of does the opposite. I even received a one week "silencing" a year ago for hyping up the KOTOR Remake and bashing Microsoft for passing on it which as of yesterday, has blown up in my face.

Back to Microsoft and Xbox, I do believe that Game Pass will be dominant by the time this generation ends and for them, while they care about the console sales, it's more about the platform and eco-system and if they can more people invested into Xbox via the TV Game Pass App and X-Cloud, then for the Xbox brand, it will be a massive success for Microsoft. Coming into this generation, I expected Xbox to be way better than they were last generation and for the most part, they have been. I expected Microsoft to be competitive but not to where they could "win" the generation in sales overall. I don't see that happening simply because they don't concentrate on only console sales which will lessen the amount sold as there will be people who buy into Xbox and Game Pass via Streaming and the TV App. There's also the fact that outside of North America, pretty much everywhere else is an uphill battle for Microsoft. Realistically, I just want to see them improve, do better and close the gap.

Last generation, Sony outsold Microsoft 2 to 1 minimum. This generation, thus far, it's been around 1.5 to 1 which is already an improvement. I simply don't want to see Microsoft get crushed like they did last generation. I just want them to improve, win at least in NA which I do believe they will and just close the gaps elsewhere because after last generation, they took several steps backwards and it's not going to be fixed overnight. This generation in my eyes is more of how to structure and setup everything for future generations. It's not even for now or this generation. Microsoft is in it for the long term as opposed to trying to just sneak out a "win" or something and as a gamer and Xbox fan, I understand this because it makes sense and is what I would be doing.

I have a few minor issues with Microsoft and Xbox. I don't like the dashboard, wish it had HDR, etc. but these are minor and for the most part, not all that important whatsoever. What is obviously important and a major issue of mine with Microsoft and Xbox thus far is the mismanagement of their internal studios and not being able to get at least ONE AAA exclusive shipped out this year. Add in the horrible launch and empty first half of 2021 and on paper, it should be a slaughter in favor of Sony but in reality, it hasn't been. It's been amazingly close for the most part with Microsoft and Xbox doing better than expected considering the fact that they can't seem to ship out an AAA exclusive to save their lives. Perhaps even bigger than this issue is the fact that Microsoft never seems to have a Plan B, C or D. It's either Plan A works or it doesn't. For example, Microsoft announced Halo Infinite at E3 2019 as a Holiday 2020 launch to be lined up with their next generation console and while some could argue that they didn't put an actual release date on the game, in actuality they did because you knew it would be the same date as the when the consoles launched.

That obviously didn't work out and they obviously didn't learn from their mistakes because they did the same thing with Starfield. 11/11/22. 18 months out. Same as Halo Infinite. No backup plan whatsoever. And obviously, this didn't work out either. I truly believe that Spencer didn't see the game or know of any issues until right before the delay. They were in that auditorium and you can just look at the pictures they took and posted on Twitter. You can see Spencer and others weren't exactly thrilled.

This is part of the major issue. There's way too much leeway given. Microsoft and Spencer specifically should be looking at every game's progress every three months once it enters full production. But sadly, I don't think Spencer is hands on at all which is a mistake in my opinion and for Booty, I simply believe that he's overwhelmed by all the studio acquisitions and two publisher acquisitions which as of now is just one until the ABK deal closes.

Next part would be where Microsoft only focuses on Game Pass and while I understand why, it shouldn't be their only focal point. They rarely get timed exclusive games and even when they do, they're either AA or Indies and for a short duration. Usually 6 months or less. Also, they don't go after AAA titles for really any kind of exclusivity. One other note is that they don't seem to go after third party AAA titles for even marketing deals anymore which is a mistake in my opinion. For two reasons - first, if Sony gets the marketing for every major AAA third party game, that eliminates it from being on Game Pass for at least a year minimum as Sony does include a clause in their marketing deals which I don't blame them because it's smart business and second, the casual consumer will simply associate these games with only PlayStation so even if they're on Xbox, it won't matter because majority of consumers won't even realize it because they're casuals and barely if at all pay any attention to any of this shit.

But they did have an amazing second half of 2021. I would give launch to Sony and PS5. I easily 2022 to Sony and PS5. Even im looking for more PS5 exclusives to play because Microsoft has nothing for me this year. But Microsoft and Xbox was better in 2021. Before the generation started, I always believed that Sony would have the better first half of the generation which thus far, they have while Microsoft would have the better second half of the generation because even though their exclusives have been delayed and there's issues here and there, at some point, the exclusives will be released and I simply don't see Sony being able to match the output especially when they do tend to take 5+ years for nearly every exclusive.

This is all my own personal opinion. For me personally, no defending anything, Microsoft fucking sucks right now in regards to their exclusive game output. But it is what it is. I can't do anything about it. All I can do is the same as what Microsoft is doing - ride it out. If 2023 is finally the year where everything starts to click exclusive game wise and they nail Redfall, Starfield, etc. then in all honesty, no one is going to give two shits about 2022 being dead. If they don't, then that's an entirely different story but as of now, I will give Microsoft and Spencer the benefit of the doubt simply because coming into this generation and this was pre-Bethesda, I always said that I would give them the entire generation to prove their worth to me. Despite a dead 2022, im not going to change my outlook. In fact, when I make a decision or say something, for better or worse, I stay with it. I don't change it.

On another note, one other major issue Microsoft needs to eliminate is their DRM setup. When I install a disc based game, I shouldn't have to connect online to "verify" the disc in order to play the game. This shit while understandable on one hand is still beyond horrible on the other. I don't see them eliminating this even though they should. Putting a game disc in my PS5 and simply being able to play it after it installs without any online connection or verification is exactly how it should be in my opinion.

Hope this makes things clearer and apologies for coming off as an asshole last night.
 
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Hope this makes things clearer and apologies for coming off as an asshole last night.

While I don't agree with all of what you said, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

And no need to apologize, we all like to have some "fanboyish" fun, and thankfully, that's not a problem here, as long as we stay civil. And I never thought what or how you wrote came over as being an asshole, only very... childish, which was a bit surprising having read other posts of yours in the past.
I thought Savant led you to a Craig meltdown, glad I was wrong 😂
 
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you sure?

This crap looks like it'd cause a genetic mutation. No thanks.

Easily, it is summer 😂 plus those numbers doesn't matter anyway. Useless staff. Just gamepass numbers for 1$ matters, for now.
How Greenberg said, you are starving, we throuwing garbage at you and you are happy 😂

I've seen that quote going around, but is it real? There's no way he actually said that, has to be something lost in translation. It's just too ridiculous, even from Greenberg.
 
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While I don't agree with all of what you said, thank you for sharing your thoughts.

And no need to apologize, we all like to have some "fanboyish" fun, and thankfully, that's not a problem here, as long as we stay civil. And I never thought what or how you wrote came over as being an asshole, only very... childish, which was a bit surprising having read other posts of yours in the past.
I thought Savant led you to a Craig meltdown, glad I was wrong 😂
You're welcome. Yeah, I guess childish would be more appropriate. In all honesty, I was just screwing around because of Savant's post because I do find him calling me an Xbot hilarious. But everyone has their opinion and whatnot.

I rarely if ever would post a "fanboyish" comment like I did last night and be serious about it. If Microsoft somehow someway gives me nothing in 2023, then you may see me go off on a profanity laced tirade/rant but even then, like now in 2022, if I don't get exclusives from Microsoft, I have my PS5 and I know Sony will deliver and even if they don't, I still have third party exclusives and multi-platform games.

For Microsoft and Xbox, as a fan, sometimes it's just so frustrating and aggravating because it's like, they're right there, they're so close, a few yards from the finish line but they break their foot and can't cross it and all you can really do is just shake your head and be like, well, they have to hit eventually right??? lol
 
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You're welcome. Yeah, I guess childish would be more appropriate. In all honesty, I was just screwing around because of Savant's post because I do find him calling me an Xbot hilarious. But everyone has their opinion and whatnot.

I rarely if ever would post a "fanboyish" comment like I did last night and be serious about it. If Microsoft somehow someway gives me nothing in 2023, then you may see me go off on a profanity laced tirade/rant but even then, like now in 2022, if I don't get exclusives from Microsoft, I have my PS5 and I know Sony will deliver and even if they don't, I still have third party exclusives and multi-platform games.

For Microsoft and Xbox, as a fan, sometimes it's just so frustrating and aggravating because it's like, they're right there, they're so close, a few yards from the finish line but they break their foot and can't cross it and all you can really do is just shake your head and be like, well, they have to hit eventually right??? lol
Being able to criticize a beloved brand and give praise where praise is due to the competitors, is where the difference between fans and fanboys lies.
 
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People have literally seen it in action.

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So what? My question wasn't that hard to understand:

You said it's releasing soon, I asked for an official confirmation.

For all I know, that guy could have seen flying pigs, but until I read an official confirmation that pigs can fly or see one for myself, I'm giving him as much credit as to the guys whose uncles work at Nintendo.
 

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Ok so I'll reply like yours:

What a sad list of PS4 remasters and games that are already on other services. :ROFLMAO:

With Returnal coming to PC soon that's about the only game on that list that was PS5 exclusive before.


sad.
I have sympathy for you because I know you went through reprogramming, Chandoog.

It's alright you can admit here you already played all these games on your PS4 and you subscribe to PS+ 😘
 

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The reality kind. Sony is expected to be #1 but yet, will finish 2nd. What's even funnier is that it happened two generations ago too. Going into PS3 after PS2, not a single person in the world thought Sony wouldn't be #1 and what happened? They lost to Wii!!!! LMAO!!!

TBF no one predicted the Wii even existing, it was a complete curveball from Nintendo and a response to Gamecube's failure. And while 360 had an earlier release (and dominated NA vs PS3), worldwide it still technically sold less than PS3. Sony's problems with PS3 were mainly self-inflicted though, in the early BOM and production prices. $900 or whatever it costed to manufacture early PS3s was insanity for a games console, and they learned that lesson the hard way.

But they recovered. Very well, in fact. I'm sure Microsoft were favored to lead 8th-gen in sales, especially in the West, but MS's own hubris ruined that and PS4 ascended. I think some people want to act like Sony has a lot of hubris this gen; okay so they're getting a bit cheeky with a few things, but so have Microsoft and Nintendo. If history tells us anything, the only way Microsoft can be #1 this gen is if Sony completely screws up, but they're not doing that and have no intentions to.

That's going by console sales, though, so Microsoft are hoping to increase their revenue and profit in gaming through publisher acquisitions. That's realistically the only way they'll surpass Sony this generation, and that is actually nowhere near guaranteed. Sony have been making their own acquisitions, they're sorting out PS5 supply issues at last, they have multiple marquee games selling very strongly, they're expanding into live-service games, and they're still getting a crap ton 3P software sales (meaning 3P royalties from those sales). Not to mention, expanding their services with PS+ improvements too.

The revenue gap between Microsoft and Sony this gen will be smaller than it was last gen for sure, but they're both probably going to see gains, meaning there's a good chance they don't overlap Sony in revenue this gen unless they acquire another massive publisher (which will be very difficult for them to do, and something I personally think they SHOULDN'T do until they sort out/get Zenimax & ABK settled in and we've gotten some real content from those studios for a few years at least).

"Some" lmao, meaning a vocal minority (and even you knew that enough to use the word "some" instead)



It is a good question TBH. Services are supposed to represent a big growth market, especially for Microsoft & Xbox, so what better way to show that growth not just to investor, but also rivals, by showing how much money you're bringing in through those subscription services? It's kind of wild to me that Sony gives up PS+ (and before it got phased out, PS Now) revenue figures, but Microsoft doesn't give us XBL Gold or GamePass revenue figures? Why?

Gaining net subs doesn't mean too much if many of them aren't putting in the money to maximize the ARPU to those services.

Bro, the resetera thread is even worse

It's pure insanity

Resetera and neogaf are nothing but microsoft shill sites. 99% of the posters on those sites are bots and microsoft employees/microsoft astroturfers

That's an interesting idea WRT the mods and admins in those places being compromised; it's a believable premise but you'd need some real evidence to back it up otherwise it's just conjecture.

It's similar to what I think about some posters on Reset when it comes to MS stuff. There are handful, I won't name names, but they definitely "feel" like shills or just keep pushing FUD about PlayStation, or bringing up super-old PS stuff acting like it's relevant while ignoring similar stuff MS has on the market today that they could/should be discussing instead.

But, those are just my opinions on those users. I don't have any proof that they're shills, at most they're maybe just passive-aggressive fanboys/fangirls, and there are Sony & Nintendo ones just like them. I do feel MS galvanizes theirs a lot more than Sony or Nintendo due to how close some execs there associate with problematic Xbox fans on Twitter and podcasts, etc., but that's another topic.
 
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I have sympathy for you because I know you went through reprogramming, Chandoog.

It's alright you can admit here you already played all these games on your PS4 and you subscribe to PS+ 😘


You're right, I have played many of those on the PS4 already, so PS+ just seems like a useless prospect right now 🤷‍♂️


So what? My question wasn't that hard to understand:

You said it's releasing soon, I asked for an official confirmation.

For all I know, that guy could have seen flying pigs, but until I read an official confirmation that pigs can fly or see one for myself, I'm giving him as much credit as to the guys whose uncles work at Nintendo.

If its already being shown to people, common sense dictates it should be releasing soon.

But yes, let's go with that because they haven't announced it officially, it doesn't exist yet.
 

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If its already being shown to people, common sense dictates it should be releasing soon.

But yes, let's go with that because they haven't announced it officially, it doesn't exist yet.

Common sense dictates that if only one person says something, you should await confirmation before giving it as a fact.

What that dude saw might have been a WIP, a playground, an experiment or the final build meant to be released soon/next year/within the next 5 years/never because it was canned. No confirmation => you cannot go around saying it's releasing soon. It's like the "Ragnarok is going to be delayed" situation, and we know how that ended.

Also, I never said it doesn't exist, but that it's not releasing anytime soon, unless you can prove it somehow.
 

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How much did the gamepass numbers increase?

Plus now that I see myself the $1 promotions everywhere and a couple people who have purchased it recently again, it just means its not getting the engagement they want, otherwise they would sell it at normal price.

Is hardware revenue being down in this part of a console‘s cycle normal? Stock issues?

The hardware being down is one of the more surprising bits to me. On the one hand, they've had pretty good sales in NA during the spring compared to PS5, and IIRC a lot of that was thanks to increased Series X stock coming off the rumor MS had chip priority that they might've increased around the time (or shortly after) they were upgrading the Azure centers with Series X units for GamePass.

So, either they stopped paying for chip priority sometime in the back half of 2021 (remember they were doing big Azure upgrades during last summer) and as result Series X supply dried up and Series S systems just aren't in as much demand (sitting in retail channels longer), or...maybe that rumor was just never true. Another thing too is that yeah, Series systems have outsold PS5 in NA during Spring and whatnot, but those have never been big-selling months for gaming hardware. There's the likelihood Sony have been working on chip priority for H2 2022 and likely beyond that, to help bolster PS5 supply for HFW, GT7, Harry Potter, TLOU Remake, and GOW Ragnarok especially as well as PSVR2.

Europe has been pretty good as well. Japan is Japan so that's that.

In general, the key take away is that despite shortages, Series S|X are still the fastest selling Xbox consoles in their history, and even though hardware and revenue were down year over year compared to last year, Game Pass is also still in growth.

It's a big W for the Xbox brand as a whole.

I don't think people are denying either of these things. The question is actually which Series system is making up the majority of those sales (and what implications that can have for future 1P software development), and at what rate is GamePass actually growing?

Look back to earlier this year in January when they mentioned 25 million subs. So, in the span of a single year, they grew by 5 million net subs? Subscription services like Netflix saw 27 million subs growth between 2020 and 2021, while GamePass saw 9 million subs growth in that same period. Right now, services like Netflix have slowed dramatically in sub growth quarterly, we can probably expect a similar trend with GamePass throughout this year, especially with the lack of big Day 1 1P or 3P games going into the service.

At the time GamePass launched, Netflix had 100 million subs. Over the past five years, Netflix has seen 120% growth in subs. GamePass reached 25 million subs in a span of five years, 1/4 the number of subs Netflix had in a 5-year period from 2012 - 2017. There might be a correlation in this; if growth ratio between GamePass and Netflix remains similar, and considering Netflix's current struggles, both might only see (in a worst-case) sub growth of 30% over the next five years. That's possible considering increased competition and just potential caps for their respective subscription service markets.

So for GamePass, a worst-case could be them "only" reaching around 32.5 million subs between now and 2027. Considering some of the things MS might NOT do post-ABK (new CODs into GamePass, WoW into GamePass, COD DLC into GamePass, etc.) combined with increase competition from PS+ and other sub services, and the potential that their 1P exclusives may not move the needle in comparison to peers, I'm not saying the worst-case growth scenario is super likely, but it's more than a zero percent chance.

And the bigger question with GamePass IMO is, how are these subscribers converting to revenue? If the ARPU is super-low, it doesn't matter how many subscribers they pick up because eventually shareholders and pundits in the industry writ large will want to know where the $$$ is. After all this is still a business, MS have already sunk a lot of money into expanding things like GamePass and ROI will be expected at some point in the future. GamePass will eventually have to stand on its own to justify its existence and that comes down to how much revenue it's able to consistently pull in, regardless of sub counts. That day's probably going to hit within the next two years IMO, sometime after ABK are finally acquired and the first wave of non Halo/Gears/Forza 1P games start rolling out.

That's how they get you on board, it's a real smart way.

Once you're on board the best deal in gaming, becoming a recurring paying member is an easy proposition.

It might work to get them on board, but if it doesn't keep them onboard, if they aren't spending a lot of money to increase the ARPU so it matches what you'd typically calculate (or get close to it) multiplying # of subs by the default costs over the course of however many months or a year, then eventually that strategy will wither itself out. Can't keep it going forever.
 
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It might work to get them on board, but if it doesn't keep them onboard, if they aren't spending a lot of money to increase the ARPU so it matches what you'd typically calculate (or get close to it) multiplying # of subs by the default costs over the course of however many months or a year, then eventually that strategy will wither itself out. Can't keep it going forever.

I think MS is willing to take loses until they buy out the industry lol. Technically they’ve spent way more than the profit they‘ve ever earnt When it comes to Xbox.

I personally dont think its sustainable, And the Xbox fans don’t care about MS just buying “success”, they don’t see the long term issues with a big player like MS controlling the video gaming industry.

Id feel the same way if Google, Facebook, Apple or Amazon came in buying publishers And IP’s.

If you can’t make your own success or earn that success, you probably won’t do a great job of keeping it. If you just buy the success like MS is trying.

But they will have a decent place in gaming if they do a good job with these newly acquired Ips. They have been pretty good at cementing their future in the games industry with certain IP’s they have bought
 
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I think MS is willing to take loses until they buy out the industry lol. Technically they’ve spent way more than the profit they‘ve ever earnt When it comes to Xbox.
Buying companies doesn't just go into your "costs." Companies are assets not costs.

Nobody here actually knows MS's profit/loss picture when it comes to Xbox..

Gaming IS strategic for them, they don't have to directly profit necessarily.. but that doesn't mean they are just losing loads of money on Xbox.
 

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Buying companies doesn't just go into your "costs." Companies are assets not costs.

Nobody here actually knows MS's profit/loss picture when it comes to Xbox..

Im not sure because Im not so knowledabe when it comes to this stuff.

All i know is they they spent 80+ billion in the last 2 years just on Bethesda and Activision. Im pretty sure Xbox hasn’t made profit close to that the whole time they have Been around since OG Xbox
 
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