Microsoft's acquisition of Activison Blizzard

[Darth Vader]

Please don't peddle in leaked documents.

Why? Just because they're inconvenient to your bullshit arguments?

If we go by leaked documents we have iron clad statements from sources that Sony explicitly pays companies to make sure games don't go on game pass.

And? You can use those as an argument all you want. Stop with the whataboutism.

If you want to believe one, you should believe the other as well.

And the strawman. I never said I doubted the Playstation leaked documents.

Sony have made more timed exclusivity deals to keep games off of Xbox this gen than the previous.

No idea about the volume, but they've already started this gen with 3 exclusive final fantasy games, something that hasn't happened since the PS2 era.

Nice to see a self debunk.

If you're going to cite leaked documents, then allow me to site reputable industry insider Imran Khan saying that Sony has approached pretty much every single multi platform publisher for money hats.

First, leaked documents are not leaker statements. Completely different things. But I digress. That's not what he says. You're again trying to equate paying for a game to be developed to pay for its exclusivity. Imran does not clarify which scenario (probably both) was on the table. Another self debunk.

But yes. Echoing what Matt said. There isn't a major third party out there Sony failed to approach asking what kind of deals they could work out. Some had content, some had games, some had content and games. It is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn't want to pay the asking price, because Sony approached with pretty high numbers in the first place.

They're trying their best to bleed the competition with timed third party exclusives. No if and or but about it.

Source for that?

and Bethesda's games are fully first party, citing their name is inaccurate.

I'm not sure how that ties to you implying Death Stranding was somehow "taken" from Xbox, but ok.

Yeah, no, I'm not reading thicc's novella, no one does , you didn't either.

I did, and please don't try and assume what I do and dont.

 

[arvfab]

No idea about the volume, but they've already started this gen with 3 exclusive final fantasy games, something that hasn't happened since the PS2 era.


If you're going to cite leaked documents, then allow me to site reputable industry insider Imran Khan saying that Sony has approached pretty much every single multi platform publisher for money hats.

They're trying their best to bleed the competition with timed third party exclusives. No if and or but about it.

Interesting, from your link:

is not like Microsoft was not willing to offer, they just didn't want to pay the asking price

Also interesting that your take for 3rd party deals is "bleeding the competition", but buying the largest publisher is not.

Btw, which are the 3 exclusive FF games since the start of the gen?

 

[AshHunter216]

This dude does an excellent job addressing the biased coverage of this deal.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

If you're going to cite leaked documents, then allow me to site reputable industry insider Imran Khan saying that Sony has approached pretty much every single multi platform publisher for money hats.

They're trying their best to bleed the competition with timed third party exclusives. No if and or but about it.

Here you go again with that shit and you had the gall to laugh at me yesterday when I used this exact example. What are these exclusives games besides Ghostwire and Deathpoop? You're like a robot that keeps repeating the same script.

If we go by leaked documents we have iron clad statements from sources that Sony explicitly pays companies to make sure games don't go on game pass.

That's a marketing deal (RE Village), it's not paying to keep off GP. You're twisting it with your bs. Do you have any proof Capcom was going to put it Day 1 on GP? Where's the Monster Hunter and Exoprimal contract?

Keep in mind that the narrative before the gen started was that Sony went to all the big publishers to get exclusive deals and promised them 50% of the market. Their shills were saying Sony was trying to kill Xbox, that was the script. It still comes up 3 years later even if it wasn’t true (besides those 2 Bethesda flops Ghostwire and Deathpoop).

In reality it was Xbox that was trying to kill Sony by giving games away, undercutting them on console prices and buying publishers to keep games off PS. The media were also attacking Sony 24/7, shilling for gamepass and creating fake controversies with whatever talking points they got from the Xbox warriors (we believe in generations, 8tf, Spider-Man avengers DLC, paid upgrades, etc)

No way all of this happened organically. It was all organized by MS the underdog and it's backfiring badly.

Silent Hill was announced recently after PS5 was already at like 30 millions sold, MGS is a recent rumour. Death Stranding 2 is a first-party they are publishing so it doesn't count with the point you're failing to make.

Final Fantasy is not even out yet, Hogwarts Legacy is selling more PS5s than FF ever will so no I don't believe any of the games you mentioned would have changed anything for this gen. Deathloop and Ghostwire didn't move PS5 units, no more than Xbox exclusives like Tunic, Medium, Gunk, Flush, etc.

Consumers at large don't want an Xbox, a Final Fantasy coming out 3 years later is not the reason why. Blame Spencer and Xbox instead.

Kojima is also working with Xbox. They are starving the competition with that too, right?

 

[Gods&Monsters]

No idea about the volume, but they've already started this gen with 3 exclusive final fantasy games, something that hasn't happened since the PS2 era.

Those Final Fantasy are not out yet and won't be out for months. How is Xbox bleeding because of them 3 years later? PS5 is selling without them too.

It's just a desperate talking point because you can't think of anything else to blame Sony for Xbox flopping.

 

[Swift_Star]

Lol the new xbots narrative is that the CMA won’t stop the merger even if they don’t approve the deal and that MS will leave the UK they live in fantasy land

 

[Swift_Star]

Those Final Fantasy are not out yet and won't be out for months. How is Xbox bleeding because of them 3 years later? PS5 is selling without them too.

It's just a desperate talking point because you can't think of anything else to blame Sony for Xbox flopping.

Xbox is flopping because of bad decisions and marketing, as usual. It’s only their own fault. And buying cod won’t change that because ms will run that franchise to the ground.

 

[Swift_Star]

Why does Adam think he’s owed games on gamepass?

 

[laynelane]

I'm not the one who posted a link which listed valheim, hifi rush as timed exclusives and tried to pass them off as the same level of an FF16.

If some of you guys legitimately think Hifi Rush has the same cache as an FF16, who am I to say otherwise.

I didn't post any links. I'm simply reading what you have wrote and giving my opinion on it. You can twist things as much as you like, but what you are saying about timed exclusives is nothing but reaching. It's not just me either. As an example, a person who loves Stalker but disliked FF would also not find your interpretation applicable either.

How about you stop blaming Sony for MS' failures? This is just another version of that, after all. If you think that MS' third-party exclusives are not as good as Sony's then give MS that feedback. Blaming another company for operating more successfully is about the level MS itself is at right now. Why join them in that? It doesn't lead to improvement by MS - we can see that with their game output (I'm speaking of quantity) among other things. Of course, if you would like to continue making excuses for MS then that's your choice, but consistently regurgitating MS PR seems like a rather boring way to engage with others about gaming.

Edited to use a more valid example.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

Why does Adam think he’s owed games on gamepass?

They must have short-term memory loss.

Yesterday, Adam and his crew attacked @thicc_girls_are_teh_best on GAF for bringing up the Exoprimal contract as if he made it up. The next day he's here saying Sony is blocking every game and they have contracts to prove it.

He laughed and said I was posting conspiracy theories when I said the narrative from MS shills was that Sony went to all the publishers to get exclusives. The very next day he uses the same script here word for word as if he didn't read any of the replies.

The fuck is that? That's not a real person. That's an AI robot. A ChatGPT.

 

[anonpuffs]

They must have short-term memory loss.

Yesterday, Adam and his crew attacked @thicc_girls_are_teh_best on GAF for bringing up the Exoprimal contract as if he made it up. The next day he's here saying Sony is blocking every game and they have contracts to prove it.

He laughed and said I was posting conspiracy theories when I said the narrative from MS shills was that Sony went to all the publishers to get exclusives. The very next day he uses the same script here word for word as if he didn't read any of the replies.

The fuck is that? That's not a real person. That's an AI robot. A ChatGPT.

Wow, it'd be interesting if shills have moved on from posting personally to just automating their shill scripts using chat bots. Work smarter, not harder I guess.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Man you all rinsed through @adamsapple like a carwash

Nothing else to really add on that note.

The presidential campaign analogy is perfect. Yes its the Trillion dollar company pretending to use a populist message to enrage the masses from evil, incumbent sony. Problem for them is, gamers like what sony are doing and sony are the only one between the two actually doing want gamers want, releasing games and making good partenerships with games they want. Microsofts message is only being received by people who already like xbox, which are mostly paid for shills at this point. This hyper aggressive campaign isnt spilling over to the mainstream, its staying siloed in xbox fanboy circles and some twitter fights but so far regulators, the people they need to actually win over arent having none of it.

They're trying their hardest to make it go mainstream, it's why people like Brad Smith give interviews with CNBC. Its why they're doing the Daily Mail adverts. But really that type of stuff makes them look bad and laughable at best.

This video is pure self embarrassment

Worst than that. It's a conflicting interest. I bet neither of them mentioned Wedbush Securities (whom Pachter works for).

Wow, it'd be interesting if shills have moved on from posting personally to just automating their shill scripts using chat bots. Work smarter, not harder I guess.

ChatGPT would be an improvement for them, and their posts have only degraded in quality. Maybe they're using the beta version that told a MS employee they were worthless?

 

[adamsapple]

Why? Just because they're inconvenient to your bullshit arguments?

Alright, you can trust those words.

But then please don't get sad talking about MS saying on paper that Sony pays to block games from game pass.

And? You can use those as an argument all you want. Stop with the whataboutism.

This isn't whataboutism. This is pointing out the hypocrisy of many here, likely including yourself, that don't take that piece of document at its word.

It's directly relevant to this discussion about securing exclusive content.

Nice to see a self debunk.

That's not a self debunk lol, the amount of third party exclusive games so far has been more notable than the PS4 gen in a similar time frame.

We can all see that, you choose to ignore it.

First, leaked documents are not leaker statements. Completely different things. But I digress. That's not what he says. You're again trying to equate paying for a game to be developed to pay for its exclusivity. Imran does not clarify which scenario (probably both) was on the table. Another self debunk.

Again, not sure which part of that you think is a self debunk. When talking about either Sony or MS paying to secure exclusive content from third parties, Imran's statement is directly relevant even if it isn't specifically talking about Death Stranding. Don't get stuck on the semantics of one titles name to try and pass off the whole thing.

Would be nice if you also showed similar eagerness to quote the poster who used Bethesda's name when talking about third party stuff or when thicc called Perfect Dark a 3P game in his novella.

But I guess that would be going against the narrative.

Source for that?

Plenty of sources and instances of individuals or court documents recently stating them paying to keep content off of rival platforms. Not gonna present you a list, you can google it yourself.

I'm not sure how that ties to you implying Death Stranding was somehow "taken" from Xbox, but ok.

Don't think I ever said that. The "X" was stolen from "Y" is the shtick of some other sad posters here tho.

I did, and please don't try and assume what I do and dont.

And yet you choose to deliberately not point out thicc's mistake of citing Perfect Dark in 3P exclusive content while invoking my usage of Death Stranding multiple times.

Sad, expected you to be above the other crazies, but I guess you aren't.

 

[adamsapple]

Yesterday, Adam and his crew attacked @thicc_girls_are_teh_best on GAF for bringing up the Exoprimal contract as if he made it up. The next day he's here saying Sony is blocking every game and they have contracts to prove it.

"Adam and his crew"

What exoprimal contract are you talking about ? Care to share it. AFAIK all the users 'attacked' thicc for a sub-standard drive-by troll post. The kind of posts some users like yourself make here. I can see why to you it felt like an attack.

@thicc_girls_are_teh_best used to be a more neutral poster, but sad to see the veil has completely come off over the recent months. The influence of some folks here no doubt. Sad

He laughed and said I was posting conspiracy theories when I said the narrative from MS shills was that Sony went to all the publishers to get exclusives. The very next day he uses the same script here word for word as if he didn't read any of the replies.

Scripts? you said MS is buying exclusives to starve the competition, insiders have said the other way around and looking at which of the 2 companies has more notable third party exclusives, even a blind man can see which of the two companies is doing what you claim

I didn't post any links. I'm simply reading what you have wrote and giving my opinion on it. You can twist things as much as you like, but what you are saying about timed exclusives is nothing but reaching. It's not just me either. As an example, a person who loves Stalker but disliked FF would also not find your interpretation applicable either.

If you're going to jump in the middle of a discussion with your charged opinion, the least you can do is trail back to where it started.

You don't even know what link I'm talking about where this discussion stemmed from.

How about you stop blaming Sony for MS' failures? This is just another version of that, after all. If you think that MS' third-party exclusives are not as good as Sony's then give MS that feedback. Blaming another company for operating more successfully is about the level MS itself is at right now. Why join them in that? It doesn't lead to improvement by MS - we can see that with their game output (I'm speaking of quantity) among other things. Of course, if you would like to continue making excuses for MS then that's your choice, but consistently regurgitating MS PR seems like a rather boring way to engage with others about gaming.

Edited to use a more valid example.

umm ... ok ? literally nothing you've said here has anything to do with what was being discussed.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

"Adam and his crew"

What exoprimal contract are you talking about ? Care to share it.

Also, @thicc_girls_are_teh_best used to be a more neutral poster, but sad to see the veil has completely come off over the recent months. The influence of some folks here no doubt. Sad





Scripts? you said MS is buying exclusives, insiders have said the other way around and looking at which of the 2 companies has more notable third party exclusives, even a blind man can see which of the two companies is doing what you claim

If you're going to jump in the middle of a discussion with your charged opinion, the least you can do is trail back to where it started.

You don't even know what link I'm talking about where this discussion stemmed from.




umm ... ok ? literally nothing you've said here has anything to do with what was being discussed.

You really didn't understand what I meant but whatever. We're going around in circles. You're a lost cause, Miss Javed.

 

[adamsapple]

You really didn't understand what I meant but whatever. We're going around in circles. You're a lost cause, Miss Javed.

But you're the one who started the recent "MS are trying to starve out Sony by buying content".

I just showed you the opposite is true, is all. Like I said above, anyone outside of this specific bubble would have been able to see it with eyes closed.

 

[Cool hand luke]

I love that Sony went to every publisher and said show me what you got. More exclusives for PlayStation, please.

 

[Old Gamer]

I love that Sony went to every publisher and said show me what you got. More exclusives for PlayStation, please.

I love how some people treat these 3rd party deals as some kind of unfair advantage Sony has over MS.

Of course current marketshare makes some deals harder to negotiate. But MS, as a trillion dollar company, would have always found ways to compensate their partners.
Trying to push the notion that a company that can spend 8 billion to buy out Zenimax could not have compensated them for a timed exclusive instead for a fraction of the cost is ludicrous.

And it goes without saying, of course MS did not stop buying for exclusivity and marketing deals either. But naturally, hypocrites only call that "taking games away" when Sony does that.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

I love how some people treat these 3rd party deals as some kind of unfair advantage Sony has over MS.

Of course current marketshare makes some deals harder to negotiate. But MS, as a trillion dollar company, would have always found ways to compensate their partners.
Trying to push the notion that a company that can spend 8 billion to buy out Zenimax could not have compensated them for a timed exclusive instead for a fraction of the cost is ludicrous.

And it goes without saying, of course MS did not stop buying for exclusivity and marketing deals either. But naturally, hypocrites only call that when Sony does that.

They don't count Bethesda games, even after every regulators worldwide + Sony called them out on it.

Sony has more exclusives if you don't count half of them

 

[laynelane]

If you're going to jump in the middle of a discussion with your charged opinion, the least you can do is trail back to where it started.

You don't even know what link I'm talking about where this discussion stemmed from.




umm ... ok ? literally nothing you've said here has anything to do with what was being discussed.

I did read the full discussion. I, however, was not interested in you using other people as an excuse for your own flawed take. So, I clarified about the link to make that absolutely clear. As for my charged opinion, looking at the way you continually twist things is not in any way inflammatory. It's quite clear. Finally, your blaming of Sony for MS' shortcomings is not only evident in what you stated here but in previous instances. So, yes, what I said everything to do with what was being discussed.

Like I said, I'm not trying to step on your toes. It appears I am, though, so maybe we should just agree to disagree.