PS "exclusive" Helldivers II will require PS Plus Membership (online paywall) while releasing on PC Day & Date, with online play being free!

[riesgoyfortuna]

Hi

nah,your sad attemps dont deserve any score
btew say hi to you banned fried crow,maybe you will share some things on the near future

btw 2 this thread aged like milk,good job op

 

[Darth Vader]

btw 2 this thread aged like milk,good job op

This thread aged like fine wine. The game does require PS Plus to play online, it's right on the website.

 

[ksdixon]

I see another Low IQ hanging fruit still not getting through the skulls of some.

"It's been like this since 2013".

Yes and No.

Since 2013 the online paywall has existed on PlayStation, but none of the third party publishers releasing games on PlayStation affected by the online paywall are responsible for setting the online paywall - hence third party publishers have treated their consumers on all platforms equally from that standpoint, from 2013 - 2023 (today).

The online paywall debate for the PS ecosystem prior to today is whether it should exist or not based on several other types of argumentation.

What has changed from 2013 to today is that SONY, not any other third party publisher with no control over the paywall, but SONY itself has decided to treat consumers of its published games in a two tiered system. From this day forward, PlayStation owners pay $80 + $70 = $150 for access to Sony's traditional multiplayer games, while consumers of the same Sony published title on PC pay $70. Sony is the company engaged in unequal treatment of consumers, not other third party publishers. Before Helldivers II there was no clear cut instance of Sony treating its consumers in a two-tiered system. That is, the online paywall existed on PlayStation but all of Sony's consumers in the PlayStation ecosystem were treated equally with the paywall by Sony. With Sony becoming a third party publisher, specifically of traditional Multiplayer Games, that is no longer the case, there is no uniformity of treatment by Sony for ALL of its customers. PlayStation costumers are getting the short end of the stick and PC costumers are not. The difference is Sony's expansion of its consumer base from just PlayStation but also PC.

That is to say, you can bash Sony with sound reason today, whereas before, Sony could excuse itself behind mountains of bullshit to justify the online paywall - as shaky as those grounds are. There is nowhere to hide today under any argumentation. It's clear cut unequal treatment.

This also applies to MS and Xbox with Xbox Live Gold (Gamepass Core now). I belief Xbox's drop off point was when they released Gears 4 on Xbox and PC in 2016 (which happens to have a traditional MP component). So for Sony it's 2013 - Feb 2024. For Microsoft, it was from 2002 to 2016 I believe. It's MS and Xbox - the shitstains of gaming that obviously serve as inspiration for all of it. Unfortunately the Xbox fanbase is toothless and fightless. I think it's becoming clear that the PS fanbase is also toothless and fightless despite all the hollering about being "different".

I agree. And I think Sony's solution is to just bump PC prices up to the same as console.

Cheapskates bitching about price going up £10 on PC (at which point console buyers say stfu we pay that much, be thankful you get the game), is better than the optics of treating console customers worse than these Johnny come latelys.

 

[flaccidsnake]

I agree. And I think Sony's solution is to just bump PC prices up to the same as console.

Cheapskates bitching about price going up £10 on PC (at which point console buyers say stfu we pay that much, be thankful you get the game), is better than the optics of treating console customers worse than these Johnny come latelys.

show us on the doll where the PC touched you.

 

[ksdixon]

show us on the doll where the PC touched you.

PC is fine. It's Sony fucking up, while Valve looks for the soft spot as they pat them on the back.

Most of Sony's gaff's recently have had some pc-centric slant to them. Just get it all in the bin and refocus on PS ecosystem. Have your "Mario run on mobile moment", like Nintendo, then say "that's enough of that shit" and withdraw again

 

[flaccidsnake]

PC is fine. It's Sony fucking up, while Valve looks for the soft spot as they pat them on the back.

Most of Sony's gaff's recently have had some pc-centric slant to them. Just get it all in the bin and refocus on PS ecosystem. Have your "Mario run on mobile moment", like Nintendo, then say "that's enough of that shit" and withdraw again

nintendo takes their cartoon characters and puts them into bad mobile game templates. on PC, playstation releases the best versions of their prestige console games. one's a compromise, the other is improving on greatness.

 

[ksdixon]

on PC, playstation releases the best versions of their prestige console games.

 

[Systemshock2023]

That thing has been fixed and it's now (like usual) the best way to play a Sony first party game.

 

[flaccidsnake]

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Pure cope. The PC version is the best version of PT1.

 

[Deleted member 223]

nah,your sad attemps dont deserve any score
btew say hi to you banned fried crow,maybe you will share some things on the near future

btw 2 this thread aged like milk,good job op

Cucko master tasting the wrong milk?

$40 + $80 yearly for access on PlayStation.
$40 on PC.

Same consumer = gamer. Yet different price points for consumption of the same product.

 

[ksdixon]

Steam = Cheaper
PC/Windows = mods/fixes
Deck/Ally = Cheaper, mods/fixes, portability
Switch 2 = Cheaper, better tech enabling better 3P support, portability.

Sony slimming the PS to PC window already, no-one's gonna want a PS6 as you've conditioned them to expect better product flexibility - and indeed better service from Sony outside of PS. They don't even have a good enough portable machine to rival Deck or Switch 2.

Fuck the online paywall discussion, Sony about to be left behind by everyone else. People can wait a year for a game, wherein they'll experience the GOTY edition on hardware that better suits their needs, or simply isn't a half crippled POS like Sony's more recent reveals.

 

[JAHGamer]

Not only is it free on PC, the PC version also requires a PlayStation Network account at that And the PC specs were shown before the PlayStation performance options, and all of the recent footage has "captured on PC". Sony and Arrowhead bending over backwards for the platform where this game will sell by far the worst.....

How someone can feasibly defend that Sony does not charge for online multiplayer on PC but does on Playstation is just... Insane. And I wonder if the game will be cheaper on PC to boot.

its $33 on PC already through cdkeys...keys that were illegally obtained through stolen credit cards BTW. So Sony's revenue is already taking a big hit

 

[Nhomnhom]

This type shit combined with the awful technical assistance I'm getting on my PS5 makes me want to sell it, go PC only and never look back.

I'm not buying a single digital game on PS so if I ever make the full switch it will be easy. My PS+ sub runs out in a few months and FFVII Rebirth will have released. The clock is ticking for Sony to give me a reason to stay or I'm out for good.

Stellar Blade and Rise of Ronnin ain't going to stop anyone from moving to PC.

 

[JAHGamer]

This type shit combined with the awful technical assistance I'm getting on my PS5 makes me want to sell it, go PC only and never look back.

I'm already mostly gaming on PC, but thats exactly what im gonna do the second they do day/date single player games. Only use PS5 for vr, broken pc ports, and games I wanna own physically

 

[anonpuffs]

I'm already mostly gaming on PC, but thats exactly what im gonna do the second they do day/date single player games. Only use PS5 for vr, broken pc ports, and games I wanna own physically

Fr Sony better wise up

 

[Nhomnhom]

I'm already mostly gaming on PC, but thats exactly what im gonna do the second they do day/date single player games. Only use PS5 for vr, broken pc ports, and games I wanna own physically

I would keep it just for physical games but my PS5 has had a disc drive that isn't working for months and despite still being covered by warranty Sony is stringing me alone for month saying they'll ship me a box for me to send it and then they just don't do it, multiple times, they don't even send an email to confirm things, the last email I got from them was near one month ago.

I had better support from a cheap Logitech mouse and Corsair RAM sticks than I'm getting from my $500 PlayStation.

Since I don't buy digital I'm unable to play new games (haven't been able to play Spider-man 2 and GoW new DLC because of this).

 

[JAHGamer]

I would keep it just for physical games but my PS5 has had a disc drive that isn't working for months and despite still being covers by warranty Sony is stringing me alone for month saying they'll ship me a box for me to send it and then they just don't do it, multiple times, they don't even send an email to confirm things, the last email I got from them was near one month ago.

I had better support from a cheap Logitech mouse and Corsair RAM sticks than I'm getting from my $500 PlayStation.

Since I don't buy digital I'm unable to play new games.

Thats evil, keep pestering them every day before your warranty expires and they try to say its not their problem anymore....

 

[Nhomnhom]

Thats evil, keep pestering them every day before your warranty expires and they try to say its not their problem anymore....

It's a 15~30min wait every time to speak with them.

This is the all time low moment for Sony to me. In the past I would ignore a lot of shortcomings because PlayStation was the only way to play many games, now that is not the case anymore and they just keep getting outclasses by PC on pretty much everything. They don't even announce stuff other than GaaS to get us excited about the future of the platform.

In a lot of way it feel like my PlayStation is just an Xbox.

The worst thing about PC (bad ports/Unreal Engine/stutter), isn't even something that hardware manufactures and Steam have control over and in my experience most of it is solved by Linux anyway (if you wait a little bit).

Steam-PC:
- Free online
- Great refund policy
- Great client/storefront
- Better prices
- Native portable solution
- Option to use other storefronts
- Mods
- Support for different VR headsets
- Better regional pricing

PS5:
- Timed exclusives
- Physical media
- More straight forward experience (in theory, not always the case)

 

[JAHGamer]

It's a 15~30min wait every time to speak with them.

This is the all time low moment for Sony to me. In the past I would ignore a lot of shortcomings because PlayStation was the only way to play many games, now that is not the case anymore and they just keep getting outclasses by PC on pretty much everything. They don't even announce stuff other than GaaS to get us excited about the future of the platform.

In a lot of way it feel like my PlayStation is just an Xbox.

The worst thing about PC (bad ports/Unreal Engine/stutter), isn't even something that hardware manufactures and Steam have control over and in my experience most of it is solved by Linux anyway (if you wait a little bit).

30 mins wait time isn't that bad, sadly that's pretty much the norm these days for most businesses....

And yeah I've said the same thing about PS, Jim Ryan pretty much turned it into Xbox 2.0, the new CEO is our last chance of going back to proper PlayStation.....they'll make or break the platforms future.

 

[Nhomnhom]

30 mins wait time isn't that bad, sadly that's pretty much the norm these days for most businesses....

To me that is deeply offensive to assume the costumer can wait that long. Why not offer an asynchronous option that is automated? They now have these horrible pseudo-chats that are a complete joke and are designed to make you give up instead of the old RMA websites that worked much better.