Sony has generated approximately $700 million from PC ports & releases on other platforms for the last fiscal year

[anonpuffs]

That's revenue, not profit. A trillion dollars in revenue is meaningless if your costs are higher than it.

A trillion dollars of revenue certainly would not be meaningless by virtue of its scale.
But 700m in revenue is basically nothing.

 

[Yurinka]

A trillion dollars of revenue certainly would not be meaningless by virtue of its scale.
But 700m in revenue is basically nothing.

700M is a lot when it's a 55% increase versus the previous year continuing a huge growth for several years in a row.

A growth that is expected to continue with a high growth (GoT, Helldivers 2 tail, The Final Shape, Concord, Until Dawn remake...).

And more imporantly, these 700M have a huge ROI for them. A huge portion of that segment are profits.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Yes. It used to be the case with the subset of users Sony is targeting by bringing their games to PC. Sony does not earn much money if a PC gamer buys a used console and 5 or 6 cheap games late on the lifecycle. They might as well buy them at a higher price on PC.

Their failure was keeping releasing games without protection and the quality of some ports.

This same user you speak about would likely end up buying many additional titles on PS5 despite owning a PC (just like me). Any games with local coop like (Fifa, NBA 2K, Madden), games that release first on consoles that aren't Sony exclusives (GTA6, RDR2,), that user would be tempted to sign up to PS+ and so on.

The must have exclusives used to be the bait (now that bait doesn't work at well because it's just temporary and everybody knows), that first push to get the person into the ecosystem, after that first taste PlayStation sells itself as the experience is usually a lot more pleasant that the PC experience when it comes to just sitting down an playing.

PC games should also be cross-buy, it would be a great way to pull people towards PlayStation. Pulling PC players to PlayStation is much better than just having a few people double dipping.

 

[Systemshock2023]

This same user you speak about would likely end up buying many additional titles on PS5 despite owning a PC (just like me). Any games with local coop like (Fifa, NBA 2K, Madden), games that release first on consoles that aren't Sony exclusives (GTA6, RDR2,), that user would be tempted to sign up to PS+ and so on.

The must have exclusives used to be the bait (now that bait doesn't work at well because it's just temporary and everybody knows), that first push to get the person into the ecosystem, after that first taste PlayStation sells itself as the experience is usually a lot more pleasant that the PC experience when it comes to just sitting down an playing.

PC games should also be cross-buy, it would be a great way to pull people towards PlayStation. Pulling PC players to PlayStation is much better than just having a few people double dipping.

Unless there are flies that game on PC, why would a hardcore PC gamer would like to be pulled towards playstation or any console for that matter?

As a PC gamer, once you have a good pc you typically just endure playing on a console and deal with its restrictions. After beating those handful of games that interest you from a small list of exclusives, it just gathers dust.

You are just using your own experience as if it were the standard and extrapolating to a whole userbase of hundreds of millions of players. Why do you think a PC gamer goes the extra mile to enjoy his/her hobby? The easy thing to do is going into toy r us or Walmart and get a console.

I think there is something that many people fail to understand: there is a subset of customers that will never game on a console as their main device with very little spend on console ecosystems. Sony ran the numbers years ago and decided to start porting games to PC.

 

[Old Gamer]

As a PC gamer, once you have a good pc you typically just endure playing on a console and deal with its restrictions. After beating those handful of games that interest you from a small list of exclusives, it just gathers dust.

You are just using your own experience as if it were the standard and extrapolating to a whole userbase of hundreds of millions of players.

I am Jack's complete lack of self-awareness.

 

[Darth Vader]

As a PC gamer, once you have a good pc you typically just endure playing on a console and deal with its restrictions. After beating those handful of games that interest you from a small list of exclusives, it just gathers dust.

As a PC gamer, you are incorrect. From Steam's hardware survey:

• CPU: Over 50% of them are 6 core or less. Over 70% are 8 core or less.
• VRAM: Over 70% of them have less than 12GB (using this since it's +- what's available for games in consoles)
• GPU: Around 50% (can't be arsed to add every single one) have a GPU at the level of an RTX3060 or worse. As demonstrated by R&C on PC, the 3060 performs WORSE than the PS5.
• Over 60% of all players play at 1080p or sub 1080p resolution

What does this mean? It means that the MAJORITY of PC gamers with a steam account own a system that is WORSE than a PS5 or an Xbox Series X.

 

[Systemshock2023]

As a PC gamer, you are full of shit. From Steam's hardware survey:

• CPU: Over 50% of them are 6 core or less. Over 70% are 8 core or less.
• VRAM: Over 70% of them have less than 12GB (using this since it's +- what's available for games in consoles)
• GPU: Around 50% (can't be arsed to add every single one) have a GPU at the level of an RTX3060 or worse. As demonstrated by R&C on PC, the 3060 performs WORSE than the PS5.
• Over 60% of all players play at 1080p or sub 1080p resolution

What does this mean? It means that the MAJORITY of PC gamers with a steam account own a system that is WORSE than a PS5 or an Xbox Series X.

That has nothing to do with what I said. You could have a 9090 on a console. It's still a closed system where you can't do as much. If you think the only reason people choose to play on PC is specs you are wrong.

 

[Darth Vader]

It's still a closed system where you can't do as much

You know what closed systems also allow for? Much better optimisation. Which is why R&C requires much better specs on PC when compared with the PS5 to run with the same settings.

You sound like Apple fanatics that compare their $1500 iPhone with a $200 Xiaomi and say "See, Apple is so much better!"

You're full of crap, as always.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Unless there are flies that game on PC, why would a hardcore PC gamer would like to be pulled towards playstation or any console for that matter?

As a PC gamer, once you have a good pc you typically just endure playing on a console and deal with its restrictions. After beating those handful of games that interest you from a small list of exclusives, it just gathers dust.

You are just using your own experience as if it were the standard and extrapolating to a whole userbase of hundreds of millions of players. Why do you think a PC gamer goes the extra mile to enjoy his/her hobby? The easy thing to do is going into toy r us or Walmart and get a console.

I think there is something that many people fail to understand: there is a subset of customers that will never game on a console as their main device with very little spend on console ecosystems. Sony ran the numbers years ago and decided to start porting games to PC.

Because consoles are great for what they are. I have a PC yet I still prefer to play most games on PlayStation. I know many other people that are like me too. I play on PC since the 90s, I had a PSP, 360, PS3, PSV, PS4, PS5 all while also playing games on PC.

Only stupid master racer types think that PC is this superior platform and that everything needs be published there or else their human rights are being violated.

 

[ethomaz]

Ignoring the rumors of Lightfall underperforming and assuming Destiny 2 had the same revenue in FY23 than in FY22, the PC ports revenue would have increased these 3 quarters. If the rumors would be real then the increase from PC ports would be even higher.

Not sure what you trying to say here...

Lightfall was FY2022.
FY2023 had no Destiny expansion... and so 45% drop in revenue compared to FY2022.

Lightfall had nothing to do with FY2023... Final Share was suppose to launch in FY2023 and so not have that 45% drop in revenue.

 

[Eternal_Wings]

How does the margins look on these PC ports?

 

[ethomaz]

As a PC gamer, you are incorrect. From Steam's hardware survey:

• CPU: Over 50% of them are 6 core or less. Over 70% are 8 core or less.
• VRAM: Over 70% of them have less than 12GB (using this since it's +- what's available for games in consoles)
• GPU: Around 50% (can't be arsed to add every single one) have a GPU at the level of an RTX3060 or worse. As demonstrated by R&C on PC, the 3060 performs WORSE than the PS5.
• Over 60% of all players play at 1080p or sub 1080p resolution

What does this mean? It means that the MAJORITY of PC gamers with a steam account own a system that is WORSE than a PS5 or an Xbox Series X.

TOP-end hardware on Steam is like 2%.
PCMR is a made up illusion because 98% doesn't have a PCMR PC.

A lot of PC gamers play on IGPs (yeap these Intel/AMD CPUs that have a GPU tapped together).

 

[Eternal_Wings]

Bring Bloodborne and demons souls with Denuvo. It's asnine how Sony doent put Denuvo for a year at least.

If they would put Denuvo in their games, PC fanboys would have another reason to complain about Sony and call them anti-consumer. Nah scrap that idea , Bloodborne doesn't need to go anywhere. Just a PS5 port is enough.

 

[ethomaz]

How does the margins look on these PC ports?

Let's be clear here...

PC data normally is shared in either Corporate Strategy Meeting or Business Segment Meeting.
These happens once a year in May.

May 23: Corporate Strategy Meeting
May 31: Business Segment Meeting

Sony earnings told nothing about PC revenue, profit, etc.
These $700 in OP are not accurate.

 

[Neversummer]

A trillion dollars of revenue certainly would not be meaningless by virtue of its scale.
But 700m in revenue is basically nothing.

Also that 700m isn’t PC port mostly it’s from destiny that’s on PS, PC & Xbox & MLB that’s also on PS, Xbox & Nintendo.

And now with Helldivers 2 & Destiny final shape 75% of that money is from live service games on PC.

Also doesn’t Sony combine PC revenue with accessories since it was so insignificant? I thought they combine both cause of those reasons. Sony really harming its platform & storefront to make short term minimal revenue/profit increase no longer making PS needed to play PS singleplayer games.

Ig the move is to go PC. Sony making PS gamers migrate to PC a platform where Sony doesn’t own any of it not even the operating system has to be the most comical thing

 

[Neversummer]

Either way will know there plans for PC soon whether they shorten the PC port time by making PS studios now develop the PC version simultaneously before handing it to Nixxes to add any tinkering. Or buying more port studios to release more PS games on PC faster either way it’s the death of PS console & the PS brand.

I don’t put anything Sony & PS new leadership. There dumb enough to harm there own PS platform & storefront I don’t put it against them following the same direction Xbox has taken

 

[arvfab]

by making PS studios now develop the PC version simultaneous

They long started with it. Why do you think majority of these game dropped in quality and are taking so long to be developed? We have two Insomniac games, one of them releasing (maybe) next year, with a playable build already, you think they had it just for fun?

 

[Nhomnhom]

Valve made about $200m without having to make any ports, spent nothing on marketing and barely had any additional costs.

 

[Puff]

Misinformation, this is not just PC Ports, this is also destiny revenue and mlb. PC ports are not more than 300m.

This shows how irrelevant PC is for PlayStation. Instead of focusing more on PC, Sony should focus only on consoles & Handhelds.

One day (hopefully soon) Sony will realize this.

 

[Banana]

As a PC gamer, you are incorrect. From Steam's hardware survey:

• CPU: Over 50% of them are 6 core or less. Over 70% are 8 core or less.
• VRAM: Over 70% of them have less than 12GB (using this since it's +- what's available for games in consoles)
• GPU: Around 50% (can't be arsed to add every single one) have a GPU at the level of an RTX3060 or worse. As demonstrated by R&C on PC, the 3060 performs WORSE than the PS5.
• Over 60% of all players play at 1080p or sub 1080p resolution

What does this mean? It means that the MAJORITY of PC gamers with a steam account own a system that is WORSE than a PS5 or an Xbox Series X.

Bigger news here is why would they spend more to game with worse performance?

Maybe Sony needs to unfuck their services.