Starfield | Review & Discussion Thread

[BlueLyria]

To be fair, Creation Engine is the AAA version of RPG Maker. Super versatile, but very archaic and unoptimized for modern standards.

Lmao, that's one way to put it.
I just don't know what BGS should be doing now, splitting a small crew to work on starfield patches and dlc while a big portion goes to work on TES6, but like, Should they really go ahead with this broken engine or invest heavily in either retooling or a complete brand new engine? And then you gotta consider how that didn't really work out for Halo and how much tech debt they would have if they went ahead and made a Creation Engine 3, and if they were to make a engine from scratch, how much time and money would that take?

 

[historia]

Lmao, that's one way to put it.
I just don't know what BGS should be doing now, splitting a small crew to work on starfield patches and dlc while a big portion goes to work on TES6, but like, Should they really go ahead with this broken engine or invest heavily in either retooling or a complete brand new engine? And then you gotta consider how that didn't really work out for Halo and how much tech debt they would have if they went ahead and made a Creation Engine 3, and if they were to make a engine from scratch, how much time and money would that take?

To be fair MW19 uses the same heavily modified Quake engine from 1997, it just IW pour a lot of money and efforts into it.

Bethesda on the other hand..., Gamebryo haven't changed much since Morrowind, of course only thing change is better graphics fidelity to match PS4 games.

They could just use Unity next and it still be better than this.

 

[Sircaw]

To be fair, Creation Engine is the AAA version of RPG Maker. Super versatile, but very archaic and unoptimized for modern standards.

Reported for manipulation of in-game footage.

I got your back @Frozone, fuck these haters and they're fake you-tube videos (thousands of them) intrying to make the game look bad.

 

[anonpuffs]

To be fair, Creation Engine is the AAA version of RPG Maker. Super versatile, but very archaic and unoptimized for modern standards.

Wow! That makes so much sense. They even have their little AI engine to make Kemco-level quests to pad out their games.

 

[Nimrota]

Does this game has a day night cycle?

Yes.

 

[Nimrota]

Here is a funny Reddit reply to a comment I left suggesting Starfield was a weak RPG:

"Saying BGS rpgs are the weakest on the market is completely subjective, and it implies that people do not like them. Additionally, since the argument is completely subjective and essentially boils down to the opinion of the public, bringing up how many people like the games is certainly not “Argumentum ad populum...determining if a game is “good” or not is completely subjective and is literally a function of if an individual likes it or not. You don’t even know what you’re talking about "

I'm not sure how it logically follows that because a game is a weak RPG, nobody likes it. Can someone explain that to me? Funnily enough I've had SEVERAL BGShills to me that because Skyrim/FO4/Starfield is popular, they must be good games. It is "subjective" whether a game is good or not. Indeed, there must be no objective way to differentiate Redfall from Starfield or BG3. They are all objectively the same.

 

[Mr Moose]

I know this of off topic but uhh... I am gonna play some space games to get in the mood and I have some Steam keys that I won't use, anyone want them?

Breathedge​

The Entropy Centre​

Trover Saves the Universe​

Might be EU keys, if that's a thing.
Is there a giveaway thread or something?

 

[Gods&Monsters]

I know this of off topic but uhh... I am gonna play some space games to get in the mood and I have some Steam keys that I won't use, anyone want them?

Breathedge​

The Entropy Centre​

Trover Saves the Universe​

Might be EU keys, if that's a thing.
Is there a giveaway thread or something?

I don't have these games if you want to give them to me

 

[Mr Moose]

I don't have these games if you want to give them to me

DM sent.

 

[Sircaw]

DM sent.

WTF, he hoovered them all up.

For the people who missed out, not to worry, our very own @KiryuRealty will be giving away a copy of his favorite game Volcano high soon.

 

[ethomaz]

Here is a funny Reddit reply to a comment I left suggesting Starfield was a weak RPG:

"Saying BGS rpgs are the weakest on the market is completely subjective, and it implies that people do not like them. Additionally, since the argument is completely subjective and essentially boils down to the opinion of the public, bringing up how many people like the games is certainly not “Argumentum ad populum...determining if a game is “good” or not is completely subjective and is literally a function of if an individual likes it or not. You don’t even know what you’re talking about "

I'm not sure how it logically follows that because a game is a weak RPG, nobody likes it. Can someone explain that to me? Funnily enough I've had SEVERAL BGShills to me that because Skyrim/FO4/Starfield is popular, they must be good games. It is "subjective" whether a game is good or not. Indeed, there must be no objective way to differentiate Redfall from Starfield or BG3. They are all objectively the same.

The RPG mechanics are very weak indeed but that is not a bad thing if done right.

Not all games needs to be focused in the RPG mechanics and the RPG mechanics are the less important of Starfield’s issues.

 

[Darth Vader]

Spent a few more hours playing, around 8h total at the moment. Have barely moved through the story as I've just been around planets and gathering crap to sell.

The game is fun, but I'm not sure for how much longer. Graphically I'm still unimpressed, it looks like a last gen game through and through. The more systems are introduced as you find them the more confusing the mechanics get, with no clear indication how they work.

Managing your inventory is shot, and I laugh that your starting ship has only 3x your own Inventory space.

Finally, the constant loading is just dumb. Everything has a loading screen, even entering a cave.

 

[historia]

Spent a few more hours playing, around 8h total at the moment. Have barely moved through the story as I've just been around planets and gathering crap to sell.

The game is fun, but I'm not sure for how much longer. Graphically I'm still unimpressed, it looks like a last gen game through and through. The more systems are introduced as you find them the more confusing the mechanics get, with no clear indication how they work.

Managing your inventory is shot, and I laugh that your starting ship has only 3x your own Inventory space.

Finally, the constant loading is just dumb. Everything has a loading screen, even entering a cave.

The reason there is loading screens is because they have different ex/interiors shells.

Every open-world games has this, from top-tier like Zelda BOTW/TOTK GTA/RDR to Horizon Far Cry/AC.

This has been figured out since at least PS3 era, probably GTA IV I think. The last big AAA game to actually have this limitation besides from Beth game is LAD 0, and since they switch to new engine in 6 they also have seemless ex/interiors.

 

[Nimrota]

The RPG mechanics are very weak indeed but that is not a bad thing if done right.

Not all games needs to be focused in the RPG mechanics and the RPG mechanics are the less important of Starfield’s issues.

The issue is most fans have a circular argument they trot out.

"The game is bad because it has severe structural issues such as loading screens, tile system being limiting, planets being boring, space being an afterthought with uninteresting flying and combat."
Fans: "Well it's a space RPG, not a sim, I don't know why you expected/wanted to fly 100h to another planet!"
"Even as an RPG, it's weak and poorly implemented compared to other games."
Fans: "But other games don't have the scope! You can go to 1000 planets, endlessly generate content, fly a ship, etc."

See? It just repeats. The game really is two rolled into one, and they motte & bailey their argument based on the criticism offered.

 

[Dr Bass]

Couple direct videos from my time playing Starfield. This is just a slice of the "things" you'll come across in this game. Plenty more where this came from. I'm sure there are legit game breaking bugs too. With the amount of junk I've seen in just a few hours ...

Shadows that only appear when you're right on top of people:

An asteroid from hell:

Landing cinematic in a main quest mission:

 

[Nimrota]

Here is a video I made comparing the experience travelling between planets in Starfield compared to Outer Wilds.

 

[Dr Bass]

Here is a video I made comparing the experience travelling between planets in Starfield compared to Outer Wilds.

To be fair those outer world planets are pretty small looking.

You also did more than you needed to in Starfield. You could have gone straight to the planet you were headed towards from the menu when you were on the ground lol. You don’t even have to “use” the spaceship.

 

[Nimrota]

To be fair those outer world planets are pretty small looking.

You also did more than you needed to in Starfield. You could have gone straight to the planet you were headed towards from the menu when you were on the ground lol. You don’t even have to “use” the spaceship.

I didn't do more than I needed to because I compared the same process in two games: enter ship, get into cockpit, travel to another planet, exit cockpit, exit ship. It's a comparison of how the two games' mechanics and implementation of said mechanic. Just because you can do it in a secondary, different manner in Starfield doesn't change the direct comparison I've made here. Why did they put the spaceship in the game then if you don't even have to use it? Is your argument then "Because you can fast travel via a menu in Starfield, it's not fair to compare the travel process in a spaceship"?

Outer Wilds' planets are pretty small because the universe is scaled down to make it enjoyable and traversable. Bethesda, on the other hand, thought a space game would benefit from untraversable, bloated, optional space sections, whereas Outer Wilds made it integral to the gameplay loop and a core element of the game's design. You can tell which game is better on this front from the above video.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I think I understand something while listening some podcasts.

Bethesda's games have 3 main pillars:

1. Dialog system
2. Sense of exploration/discovery and danger.
3. loot.

The three above work in synergy, which means that engaging in one of those activities can inform and change the approach/outcome of the other two.

And if you have played any Bethesda game (i am counting the original 2D fallout games).

You will know that, in the moment these 3 systems click....You feel..."Oh, this is special".

Now. while listening to people that love/like Starfield. I realize that this "eureka" moment happened to them.

then 2 things can occur:

Everything around those systems (graphics, UX, game/level design) etcétera, is either:

1. too bad that damage the overall experience
(6,7)

2. Those 3 systems are so engrossing that can overcome the issues the game has.
(8,9)


if 10 = shill.

 

[Dabaus]

Montressor from resetera said:

“
Given how popular Starfield will be, it looks like it will tremendously help with Xbox engagement, whether that’s Twitch stream viewership, moving consoles, moving Game Pass Subs, or just plain revenue generation (especially with Steam purchases and Premium/Constellation purchases). The game is going to resonate with a lot of people. I’m extremely guilty of this too, but I think people just put way too much stock into the number “90” and above. For me, it was more a prestige thing, and me wanting to celebrate the fact that Xbox first-party could stand toe-to-toe with Sony and Nintendo. But anyways, regardless of that inability to crack 90, Starfield has an impressive 88 score, and it’s resonating in a positive way with loads of people.

Important to remember that Xbox first-party is no slouch - recently pulling off 88 for Pentiment, 89 for Hi-Fi Rush, 90+ for Forza Horizon 5, etc.”


What level of cope and delusion is this?