The Game Awards: Expansions, DLC, Remakes, Remasters All Eligible for All Categories

[arvfab]

I definitely think it's a weird criteria. Everything you need to do to enter the DLC is part of the DLC story it's not like it's some ridiculous requirement what they're asking you to do it's not arbitrary.

Don't forget the most important thing: you need to own the base game. That's the deciding factor.

If SOTE was a simple, free, unnamed update (but same content as it is now) of the base game, everybody would agree that it doesn't make any sense to have Elden Ring again as a GotY candidate. Why? Because it's "only" additional content to a previously released title.

 

[Vertigo]

Fortnite creations games are what then? They’re full games. You don’t need to own a base game; just the launcher; which is free. Same goes for Destiny. CoD is moving that way too with HQ (or do CoD’s 3 hour campaigns count as full games? Lmfao)

Conversations like these makes me wonder who has actually played modern games on non Nintendo handhelds. A lot of this is just technical limitation of hardware.

 

[arvfab]

Fortnite creations games are what then? They’re full games. You don’t need to own a base game; just the launcher; which is free. Same goes for Destiny. CoD is moving that way too with HQ (or do CoD’s 3 hour campaigns count as full games? Lmfao)

Conversations like these makes me wonder who has actually played modern games on non Nintendo handhelds. A lot of this is just technical limitation of hardware.

So in your opinion a very well made game in Dreams, Roblox etc. should be considered a full game, even eligible for Game of the Year?

What you are describing are live service games, there is a category for them: Best ongoing game.

Let me know when a Fortnite creation game is nominated for GotY.

 

[ethomaz]

Fortnite creations games are what then? They’re full games. You don’t need to own a base game; just the launcher; which is free. Same goes for Destiny. CoD is moving that way too with HQ (or do CoD’s 3 hour campaigns count as full games? Lmfao)

Conversations like these makes me wonder who has actually played modern games on non Nintendo handhelds. A lot of this is just technical limitation of hardware.

So they “games” should not be GOTY contenders for the exactly reasons you are saying

Imagine every year a GOTY show with Fortnite, CoD: Warzone, Destiny 3, etc.

It should have it own categories.

 

[Vertigo]

I think all games should be viable for game of the year. Whether it’s an original release or not should be considered in evaluating picks but should not bar any game.

Most sequels are rehashes. Ragnarok didn’t reinvent shit just continued narrative. There’s so much that can define a sequel. There’s more changes in live service year to year than there is in 5 between sequels.

 

[arvfab]

I think all games should be viable for game of the year. Whether it’s an original release or not should be considered in evaluating picks but should not bar any game.

You are right, any game, not game expansions which are add-ons to other games.

 

[Vertigo]

Oh is this where we consider low effort copy and paste dlc like Miles Morales a full game? Should’ve been dlc but they needed to pad ps5 launch.

 

[ethomaz]

I think all games should be viable for game of the year. Whether it’s an original release or not should be considered in evaluating picks but should not bar any game.

Most sequels are rehashes. Ragnarok didn’t reinvent shit just continued narrative. There’s so much that can define a sequel. There’s more changes in live service year to year than there is in 5 between sequels.

Except you can play Ragnarok without ever touching the 2018 game.
It is the key and biggest issues with DLCs.

It it was like Miles Morales... the so called standalone DLC nobody should complain about it.
But Elden Ring DLC is still Elden Ring DLC.
Size, scope, length, quality... never mattered.

 

[ethomaz]

Oh is this where we consider low effort copy and paste dlc like Miles Morales a full game?

If Shadow of Erdtree was a standalone expansion like Miles Morales nobody should complain about it being listed as GOTY.
If Miles Morales had enough quality to be listed as GOTY, why not?

Nobody is fighting against SotE qualities.... it just that it is not a game but a DLC.

 

[arvfab]

Oh is this where we consider low effort copy and paste dlc like Miles Morales a full game? Should’ve been dlc but they needed to pad ps5 launch.

Differently to SOTE, Miles Morales is not DLC, it's a standalone smaller entry which doesn't require any other game to be played. The other DLCs were all tied to the base Spider-Man game.

 

[Vertigo]

Any content that charges you premium (40 and up) for new content qualifies as far as I’m concerned. They’re product releases some standalone and some not.

Destiny expansions are not tied to owning anything prior. Witcher allowed you to launch both dlc expansions without having played the og game.

The money you spend on more content for Elden Ring embarrasses most releases this year. And it outperformed most too.

 

[ethomaz]

Any content that charges you premium (40 and up) for new content qualifies as far as I’m concerned. They’re product releases some standalone and some not.

That is up to developer that choose how to release the content... as a game or as a DLC.
Price was never a point to be a GOTY nominated or not.

 

[arvfab]

Any content that charges you premium (40 and up) for new content qualifies as far as I’m concerned. They’re product releases some standalone and some not.

Crossing fingers for this to win GotY someday

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[Vertigo]

keyword is content not mts….

 

[ethomaz]

keyword is content not mts….

 

[Vertigo]

This is going into clown shit territory.

Currencies are not content and conflating cosmetics and battles passes with actual gameplay content and product releases like a Final Shape, Shadow of Erdtree, Blood and wine, or Phantom Liberty is silly.

Furthermore, you do not need to own any prior Destiny content to buy any new premium priced product release. So the requirement criteria being discussed is also nonsense.

Street Fighter is a fun historic example. Yeah, the series that had a new update every six months for $70 during the 16 bit gen…

I would never disqualify a product release that is made to be sold at premium and does much of what’s expected from sequels 5 years in the making.

And considering Shadow of Erdtree has unit sales and revenues that eclipse ff7 part 2 for instance … so just ignore that?

All games should be considered and their merits valued. Should original ideas be worth more during any given year? Yes.

Wukong and Helldivers are the obvious goty contenders but content like new Elden ring definitely deserves the mention.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I do like the fear mongering that this is going to set some precedent where DLC is constantly being nominated for Game of the Year. Is this supposed to be a dystopia where we constantly get DLC that is so good it's better than full games? Sounds pretty sweet to me.

 

[arvfab]

I would never disqualify a product release that is made to be sold at premium and does much of what’s expected from sequels 5 years in the making.

No one has said that SOTE isn't worthy of the praise it gets. The problem arises when it's nominated as GAME of the year, while being part of a previously released game.

It's like saying that The Lord of the Rings: Extended Edition movies should be eligible again for the Oscars because of the great new content they added to the theatrical releases.

You also continue with it being premium as it is some kind of merit. Games like Genshin Impact get regular FREE content updates for a FREE base game, with some of the content being worth of 10s of hours of gameplay. You know where these games are listed? Under the Best Ongoing Game category.

And considering Shadow of Erdtree has unit sales and revenues that eclipse ff7 part 2 for instance … so just ignore that?

And? Should we consider Madden/Fifa for GotY because they sell great?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

No one has said that SOTE isn't worthy of the praise it gets. The problem arises when it's nominated as GAME of the year, while being part of a previously released game.

It's like saying that The Lord of the Rings: Extended Edition movies should be eligible again for the Oscars because of the great new content they added to the theatrical releases.

You also continue with it being premium as it is some kind of merit. Games like Genshin Impact get regular FREE content updates for a FREE base game, with some of the content being worth of 10s of hours of gameplay. You know where these games are listed? Under the Best Ongoing Game category.



And? Should we consider Madden/Fifa for GotY because they sell great?

These comparisons are kind of ridiculous. The extended edition of Lord of the Rings movies is still you watching the Lord of the Rings movies just with some added scenes here and there. Once you enter this DLC you are 100% in new content for the next 50 or more hours. You could make the legitimate argument that all the scenes added to the extended edition of Lord of the Rings don't make for a full film but that does not translate here because this totally is enough content to be a full game and could have been sold separately as such if they wanted to do so.


I don't really understand what all the whining does you keep acting like us arguing has something to do with what other people are going to do but it doesn't. Do you know why it's one of the nominees? Because enough members of the panel picked it as their game of the year. There's really nothing you can do about that you're spending all your time trying to change the minds of people on this forum when the people who actually matter aren't changing their minds.

 

[arvfab]

this totally is enough content to be a full game and could have been sold separately as such if they wanted to do so

They didn't, that's the point. No one would have complained if they would've done it.

I don't really understand what all the whining does you keep acting like us arguing has something to do with what other people are going to do but it doesn't. Do you know why it's one of the nominees? Because enough members of the panel picked it as their game of the year. There's really nothing you can do about that you're spending all your time trying to change the minds of people on this forum when the people who actually matter aren't changing their minds.

Ok, so let's close any internet forum as any discussion is futile.

It's also funny of you accusing others of whining and keeping talking about it, when you are the one who posted this: