Requirement to use internal tools blamed for the state of Halo and Fable's delays

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So they don't try to predict? It is just a junk (what was discarted by L2)? :unsure:
every modern cpu has speculative hardware prefetching but it's only going to prefetch stuff into L1 and L2 that the cpu can process just-in-time, the L3 victim cache is there in case of L2 cache miss so you don't pay latency penalty to go to ram. Also remember that the L3 in zen3 is unified cache across all 8 cores in the CCX, whereas L1 and L2 are bound to their respective cores.
 
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That's patently not true. I'm not sure why this lie gets propagated so often on forums.

Then please explain what the truth is because Sony doesn't want to see Microsoft or Game Pass succeed because it threatens their own business model from becoming obsolete and instead of adapting and evolving, Sony chooses to stay the way they are.
 
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Then please explain what the truth is because Sony doesn't want to see Microsoft or Game Pass succeed because it threatens their own business model from becoming obsolete and instead of adapting and evolving, Sony chooses to stay the way they are.
The answer is blindingly obvious. I don't know why you're talking GamePass, I'm talking about Sony. And saying their entire business model revolves around selling $70 games is false.

Instead once again we're back to the 'adapting and evolving' argument - which appears to be another way of saying throwing money down the drain - even after MS said that they don't expect GamePass revenue to get bigger than about 15% of their gaming revenue.
 
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The answer is blindingly obvious. I don't know why you're talking GamePass, I'm talking about Sony. And saying their entire business model revolves around selling $70 games is false.

Instead once again we're back to the 'adapting and evolving' argument - which appears to be another way of saying throwing money down the drain - even after MS said that they don't expect GamePass revenue to get bigger than about 15% of their gaming revenue.

The answer is so obvious yet you don't answer it. Sony's business model is literally a walled garden. Buy a PS5 and buy their games at $70 a pop. That's literally what it is. PC versions are months/years behind. They put no money or effort into their subscription service and do they even have any cloud infrastructure yet despite the fact that they were first with the option but yet did nothing with it.

I mention Game Pass because if it succeeds, it literally blows up Sony's entire business model which is why they're so determined to kill it off. Wait...you believe Spencer and Microsoft when they said that they don't expect Game Pass revenue to exceed 15% of their gaming revenue? I thought Spencer and Microsoft were liars all the time or is just bits and pieces? Which is it because it can't be both. It's either one or the other.
 
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The answer is blindingly obvious. I don't know why you're talking GamePass, I'm talking about Sony. And saying their entire business model revolves around selling $70 games is false.

Instead once again we're back to the 'adapting and evolving' argument - which appears to be another way of saying throwing money down the drain - even after MS said that they don't expect GamePass revenue to get bigger than about 15% of their gaming revenue.
And notice how MS only discusses gaming revenue, not gaming profit?


Hmm…
 
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The answer is so obvious yet you don't answer it. Sony's business model is literally a walled garden. Buy a PS5 and buy their games at $70 a pop. That's literally what it is. PC versions are months/years behind. They put no money or effort into their subscription service and do they even have any cloud infrastructure yet despite the fact that they were first with the option but yet did nothing with it.

I mention Game Pass because if it succeeds, it literally blows up Sony's entire business model which is why they're so determined to kill it off. Wait...you believe Spencer and Microsoft when they said that they don't expect Game Pass revenue to exceed 15% of their gaming revenue? I thought Spencer and Microsoft were liars all the time or is just bits and pieces? Which is it because it can't be both. It's either one or the other.
Why is it a good thing to blow up Sony's (and the rest of the AAA industry's, btw) business model? You are literally proving Jim Lyin' Ryan right when he says that Microsoft's acquisition spree will end the choices gamers have today. And I'd rather not believe a suit like him.
 
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Why is it a good thing to blow up Sony's (and the rest of the AAA industry's, btw) business model? You are literally proving Jim Lyin' Ryan right when he says that Microsoft's acquisition spree will end the choices gamers have today. And I'd rather not believe a suit like him.

I never said it was a good thing but having options in how you play your games isn't bad either. As long as the option remains to buy games, there's nothing wrong with a subscription service. The issue with Sony's business model is that is going to become old, outdated and obsolete because you can't just offer one way to play your games in this day and age. Consoles have a limit and an expiration date. They all do. Expanding and growing to PC, subscriptions, TV Apps and Cloud Streaming is how you'll gain more consumers into your platform and eco-system which is far more valuable than any single console in the short term and the long term. Like I said, as long as the option to buy games remains (which it always will, at least digitally) and a subscription or any single option is forced, then I don't see any issue whatsoever because how you want to consume your gaming content may not necessarily the same way as how someone else wants to consume their gaming content.

Microsoft's spending spree isn't going to decrease or eliminate choice. If anything, it's going to expand it because the only limit is having to buy a console to play games where as there's plenty of other options to do the same. There's nothing wrong with having more than just the buying option as long as none of it becomes the only way.
 

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I never said it was a good thing but having options in how you play your games isn't bad either. As long as the option remains to buy games, there's nothing wrong with a subscription service. The issue with Sony's business model is that is going to become old, outdated and obsolete because you can't just offer one way to play your games in this day and age. Consoles have a limit and an expiration date. They all do. Expanding and growing to PC, subscriptions, TV Apps and Cloud Streaming is how you'll gain more consumers into your platform and eco-system which is far more valuable than any single console in the short term and the long term. Like I said, as long as the option to buy games remains (which it always will, at least digitally) and a subscription or any single option is forced, then I don't see any issue whatsoever because how you want to consume your gaming content may not necessarily the same way as how someone else wants to consume their gaming content.

Microsoft's spending spree isn't going to decrease or eliminate choice. If anything, it's going to expand it because the only limit is having to buy a console to play games where as there's plenty of other options to do the same. There's nothing wrong with having more than just the buying option as long as none of it becomes the only way.
And Sony offers those options, just not day one releases on PSPlus.

Microsoft isn’t innovating any of this, aside from predatorily undercutting the market and making fanboys think that it’s something good.
 
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And Sony offers those options, just not day one releases on PSPlus.

Microsoft isn’t innovating any of this, aside from predatorily undercutting the market and making fanboys think that it’s something good.

Can you play GOWR on PC, a TV app, via cloud streaming, etc. right now?

How exactly is Microsoft undercutting the market?
 

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Day 1 is the new mantra. It's that or $70. That's all they repeat.

Every game on PSN is $70, no price drops, no sales. Everything is $70.
It’s funny how PCMR and Xbox fanboys seem to think PSN sales don’t exist, yet I don’t buy physical and somehow have only paid full price for 2 games all generation.
 
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