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Phil Spencer: Starfield being 30fps is a "creative choice", not a hardware issue.
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Like I said:
30 fps was always fine, it was the annoying PC crowd that are senstitive snowflakes that cry about 30fps, look at how spider man on ps4 or totk are smooth and with low input lag?
Then you have xbots crying and nipicking every small irrelevant detail when it comes to playstation and nintendo games. They're always roasting them for low resolution, textures, insignificant frame rate drops.
And now they're releasing 30fps games back to back. Of course they'll get roasted after all the fake outrage they push on forums and twitter.
30 fps was always fine, it was the annoying PC crowd that are senstitive snowflakes that cry about 30fps, look at how spider man on ps4 or totk are smooth and with low input lag?
Then you have xbots crying and nipicking every small irrelevant detail when it comes to playstation and nintendo games. They're always roasting them for low resolution, textures, insignificant frame rate drops.
And now they're releasing 30fps games back to back. Of course they'll get roasted after all the fake outrage they push on forums and twitter.
The games are still better at 60+ fps.
Now, as I was saying during the PS4 gen, 30fps is a workable compromise that could be understood. But with the current batch of consoles (except the S) there should be no game released without a 60fps mode.
This is much worse now because I play all games in performance mode (60 or more FPS), I keep trying to go back to the 30\40fps quality modes all the time and they just feel completely broken, even on games that default to these modes. So I can get those who say, Zelda is so great, the 30fps compromise is fine in this case (60+ with higher levels of details would still be better, just like Blueray is better than DVD, or even streaming services).
Xbox\Bethesda should learn to optimize their software, or take the time to do so before they unleash it upon the world. With a console like the Series X there is no apparent reason, these Ryzen CPUs are pretty powerful, the GPU can handle much more impressive stuff than what they have shown (hopefully).
Even if the game was super impressive with RT up the wazoo, they can make a mode that doesn't use it.
I honestly don't mind 30fps for most games. Beat em up, racing, slasher, etc, yeah I prefer 60. But stuff like forbidden west I completed it with 30fps and it was enjoyable. TLOU PT 1 and 2 also 30 fps.
That said, if I can get the same visual fidelity, i'll always pick 60fps, though depending on the game, the cinematic feeling of 30 cannot be thrown aside. this is just my take, anybody can disagree with it.
That said, if I can get the same visual fidelity, i'll always pick 60fps, though depending on the game, the cinematic feeling of 30 cannot be thrown aside. this is just my take, anybody can disagree with it.
If MS wasn’t so dumb about things, they could implement 40Hz on 120Hz displays like PS5 does.
Sony has TVs to sell so they gotta make those 120hz screens worth it to buy, starfield won't even hold stable 30fps let alone 40fps, maybe in the closed quarters of the ship it could go to 60fps but no way the framerate won't tank in the cities
I'm surprised you think this is running above 40fps. Odds are it won't even run well at 30fps.
Where did I say that? I was positing a possible mode to make things better than 30FPS.
I've ben gaming too long to expect a Bethesda console game to even be a steady 30, but if 40 was an option they wouldn't look so embarrassing.
If they could have a 40fps mode they would have it, it's not because they don't know about 120hz being an option. Bethesda is probably crunching like hell to get this game out at 30fps looking like it does.
MS offers better VRS on their consoles than Sony, they even touted it for so long before the PS5 had VRS patched in (Sony promised it would come). Mind you, I think that this feature is still niche, same for 120fps.
For what it's worth, I'm much better at aiming in games that have higher frame rates.
Sad, but true.
People will ignore other games that are about as complex to explain the issue away.
You can't just keep on putting features and not use them, what is the use of all this vrr tech when games are gonna run unoptimized and get low framerate
Xbox just seems like it ticks off a checklist of features and then thats it
On discord i just mentioned this same thing that no mans sky literally promised so many things and starfield is shaping up to be like that. Then i told him that if you are interested in rpgs then jrpgs are a better choice right now cause not only they release so many games but also the quality is good and western rpg developer take their time with the game and releases are less frequent. This dude started shaking and going off about how that's an attack on not only wrpgs but also crpgs. Even a mention of the trailer watch count made him go crazy cause he thinks starfiled is an important wrpg release
I still don't understand how telling him that jrpgs release more games was an attack on crpgs
Be safe out there cause when arguing online you might just might find someone who doesn't view them as just games but rather has their whole personality tied to them, even an ambiguous statement is enough to set them off.
You’all need to apologize to Phil. The laws of physics in the universe where SF takes place are 30 fps. It’s not that the SX can’t handle it.
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Some are not going to understand its satire, don't post it on hostile forums, man babies will come for your ass
I trust VR developers to know about this stuff, cause its kind of their responsibility that i don't puke all over the floor while playing their game, not many are going to put the blame on starfield cause of the low frame rate, stutter and motion blur giving them a headache
"play like molasses".
Lost the point there as this isn't factual, not for everyone, this is completely subjective.
This debate is overdone.
Yes, higher framerate is better.
Sometimes it can't be achieved, it is what it is.
Developers shouldn't abide to arbitrary baselines to achieve their vision, they should do whatever they want.
I'm so sick of this debate and I hate Digital Foundry and PC gamers for making this a thing. 99% of the time, framerate is irrelevant.
For the 1% of the time it actually matters (some first person games, some racing games, VR) it's ok, but FFS, most single player games play perfectly fine at 30fps.
If you are that sensitive, by all means, spend $10k on a PC, it's on you, but know it's a never ending road since you'll always have to upgrade to the newest thing to keep high framerates.
I, for one, am glad I'm able to play perfectly fine at 30fps, imagine skipping gems like totk or TLOU games at launch because of this stupid thing? lol
I'm glad that this shit has not spilled into non interactive medium like movies and tv shows.
Let the developers do whatever they want, enjoy games, stop bitching.
Also, input lag is more important than framerate and these aren'r necessarily related.
Oh, and 4K was a mistake, clearly.