PS5 will even have a big RPG release of it's own in BG3 releasing a few weeks earlier. Based on the early access I'm very confident in BG3 being really good.
PS5 has sold more than 533,000 units In February NPD, breaking the record set by PS2 in 2005
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Starfield sales will be terrible because it's coming to day pass day 1. It may do well with lifetime sales or sales after 12/18 months, but those first few weeks are going to be laughably bad.
That's no comment on whether the game will be good or bad, it's just the facts.
That's no comment on whether the game will be good or bad, it's just the facts.
I dont think KOTOR will hit this year but thats another one too.
That one won't come anytime soon.
If it sells well it's going to be on PC. Starfield has been used to push Xbox and Gamepass for years at this point (given all the hype and delays) it's effect has already been felt. It's a lot like Halo Infinite in that sense, so much talk about it before release, it even reviewed well and then it was dead while nothing changed.
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How does my post on Starfield have anything to do with Xbox's perception?
I don't care what anyone thinks of Xbox. Thinking Starfield is going to have trouble against Spider-Man 2 is simply incorrect.
Fallout was a dead IP when Bethesda made Fallout 3 and because of the success of Morrowind and Oblivion helped make Fallout the brand it is today.
Skyrim and Fallout 4 are two of the most popular games to ever release from the same developer, and their name is attached to Starfield.
As a comparison, Destiny was hyped to hell and back in 2014 because it was the studio behind Halo and the publisher of Call of Duty.
Skyrim and Fallout 4 have sold well over 30M each. The Starfield teaser trailer has 17M views on YouTube. This is the first Bethesda RPG since 2015. The game is going to do great.
Will it move consoles? Yes. Can it shift perceptions around Xbox? Maybe, nothing's impossible. Starfield is going to be the first real exclusive for Xbox this gen, even Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite are on Xbox One. If the game is 90+, it'll be key marketing this holiday.
That one got handed off to another dev team because the first one (aspyr) couldn't handle it. I wouldn't expect it til the end of the gen, late 2026 at the earliest
I'm referring to your posts in general on these kinds of threads. You seem to spend a lot of time "defending" Xbox unnecessarily.
For a lot of people it's just hard to accept how much the Series is struggling and to admit that they had the wrong read of the market.
Nobody actually believes that stock is what is holding the Series back. Lack of supply for a console that moves so few units, in their main market while selling less units than the Switch is just MS flexing their incompetence.
The problems with [the forum that shall not be named] are manifold. The first would be its insistence on marginalising discussions about Hogwarts Legacy, a sales phenomenon. The second is an incessant need to downplay any success that PlayStation is achieving; some of their comments in the latest NPD thread are appalling. The third is the cheerleading for an anticompetitive acquisition.
The fact that the gilded hunter bundle doesn't represent a price increase is likely to be by necessity than by circumstance, but I take your point that the Series S is the one that is being overshipped. That series of circumstances would lead to a scenario in which XSX can be out of stock (in demand? Can't say, and signs point to no given the resale value below MSRP) and Xbox Series consoles can still be hitting the higher end of sales estimates.
As to the Starfield/Skyrim/Fallout discussion, remember that the latter two released on all platforms to achieve that popularity and those numbers, and that Xbox didn't have the greatest slice of the pie. Releasing as a new IP on an unpopular console, and not exclusively (PC release) against one of the most popular IPs in gaming (Spider-Man), or IPs full-stop, means Starfield is unlikely to hit equivalent metrics (MAUs or console sales that could compensate for or offset the guaranteed revenue from releasing more broadly). It won't be the death knell for the IP, but it's a grave mistake to withhold it from PlayStation and to devalue it by giving it away as part of GP.
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Well your first mistake… noticing VGChatz.
ioi (the owner) was a bitter better in guesstimates than the actual staff even so he made big guess that were nowhere close to reality.
Being fair they trend to adjust data when accurate numbers are releases but that cover only big markets… the smaller ones they don’t change because “they can’t find where their algorithm fucked the thing”.
I get your point about the “from the makers of” marketing and it’s a solid point. The difference between bungie and destiny and Bethesda and starfield is that bungie was literally the best fps developer and probably the best games developers in the world moving on to their next project, Bethesda is coming off of fallout 76. I’m not saying starfield wont be a hit or have it’s fans. I think 5 million first month is doable with pc, but spider man 2 will probably do double that on ps5. So I’m saying starfields impact won’t even be felt really.
I don’t even know what we’re arguing about really anymore, I guess my overall point is I don’t think it’s going to be nearly as big as people suggest and I don’t think it will move hardware like people are suggesting.
We’re both ignoring the elephant in the room which might be Zelda and switch as well.
I believe you are setting yourself for disappointment.
First these data you quoted include PlayStation… second Starfield absolutely doesn’t have the same hype than Skyrim… it is not even comparable.
I think you are underselling Sony's marketing. For example Last of us part 1 remake shot up to #5 on the charts when the show launched. Now Imagine Into the Spiderverse part 1 comes out June. Spiderman 2 is hinted at releasing in September with marketing blitz starting in August.
Spiderman Into the spiderverse will easily do big numbers at box office. It will be fresh in peoples minds. Spiderman 2 is going to sell more than God of war: Ragnarök.
Marketing is what Sony seems to be better at so far than Microsoft.
Starfield is going to be a big title, possible next big Fallout. But it's still up in the air about the game. Spiderman has had 2 previous titles from the same developer, so people have positive expectations.
Am I defending something by pointing out market realities? If anything I'm in here defending myself since there was a thread made for one of my tweets (which was correct) and I got mentioned in this thread for a tweet that was also 100% correct but some people don't like that I'm bringing attention to something they'd rather ignore or spin.
I could ignore it but I'd rather not allow people to just dismiss information that is backed up by professional analysis.
If talk about Install Base is off topic this can be removed but for one, there is no "marginalisation" of Hogwart's Legacy. We don't ban discussion and anyone is free to talk about it or any controversial game as long as it's in respect to affected communities.
You'd have to share what you mean by downplaying PlayStation. Everyone was talking up PS5 selling more than peak PS2.
Most people are in support of the Activision deal and it just isn't anticompetitive by an metric.
On Starfield, I just don't see why it's initial success is being questioned. The launch metrics will be insane and at the worst if it's a genuinely bad product, legs will be disastrous. Starfield will be marketed as the next Skyrim but in space and everyone knows about Skyrim. Current gen has only sold +50M combined so far, while 8th gen sold +170M. There's still plenty of potential Bethesda casuals that can pick up an Xbox purely for that exact experience, which is the whole point of making Starfield exclusive. The idea that Bethesda RPG's are strong enough to get people to buy a console.
If you want to talk about pure sales, sure, I won't say Starfield ships +10M at launch. What it will most likely do is +20M players in Month 1, faster than Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5.
In my opinion you seem to be overselling Xbox's performance and underselling Playstation's but it's whatever.
Also, I think they're referring to resetera, not installbase forum.
Actually he mentioned Installbase by name in another post and it was deleted so I'm not sure.
I kind of agree that Installbase is very pro Xbox and Nintendo and they constantly downplay and badmouth Sony as much as possible. Most of them are from resetera so that explains why. It's the same toxic users.
Did InstallBase ban discussion of Hogwarts? Resetera seems to be the only website that fits that description.
They don't ban it but you have to be careful when you talk about it. Just talk about the sales and nothing else to be safe.
