PS5 Pro updated rumors/leaks & technical/specs discussion |OT| PS5 Pro Enhanced Requirements Detailed.

Shmunter

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Why even bother with a pro at all then? Makes no sense to sell a more expensive version of the PS5 as an option if profit is not the reason.
It is most certainly profitable, but then there is the halo effect of the PR, best on ps5, best footage is from ps5p. Etc etc.
 

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Instead of getting battered by Nvidia in RT(and "vaseline reconstruction"), they gonna take a smaller L now.
 

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I asked Google...

How many teraflops is 4070?


As for the compute performance figures, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 graphics card features 29 Shader FP32 TFLOPs, 67 RT TFLOPs, 300 OFA, and 400 Tensor TOPs. The compute performance is on par with NVIDIA's RTX 3080 12 GB (30 TFLOPs

The PS5 Pro will actually be a little better then a 4070 on paper.
 

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Should be obvious from the document that they propose a 2-4x increase in stages of the raytracing pipeline, not that games with raytracing will run at twice the framerate.

It also depends a lot in how heavy in raytracing the game is. I doubt any non-patched PS5 game with RT that is optimized for RDNA2 like e.g. Spider Man 2 will run significantly faster because of the new RT units.
 
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Should be obvious from the document that they propose a 2-4x increase in stages of the raytracing pipeline, not that games with raytracing will run at twice the framerate.

It also depends a lot in how heavy in raytracing the game is. I doubt any non-patched PS5 game with RT that is optimized for RDNA2 like e.g. Spider Man 2 will run significantly faster because of the new RT units.
it will allow them to apply heavier effects for the same cost. rDNA2 sucks at RT, saw some analysis on the AMD subreddit that a 2-4x increase in RT pipeline speed might bring the PS5 Pro in line with ampere raytracing, so like a 3070 Ti/3080 level. That would make me pretty happy if the AI assisted upscaling is at all competitive with DLSS as a 3070 Ti/3080 is fairly decent at raytracing. Will it be competitive with top shelf PC parts? No. But it's going to cost $600 for the full package, will still be impossible to beat the price/perf.
 

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I just don't know where this notion comes from that a GPU alone can cost north of $1500 and be praised for it while a console costing $700 is somehow insulting.

All to end up playing the same games in conditions looking close to identical to most people and in most conditions.

It's not like some dude playing Helldivers 2 in a RTX 4060 is playing a completely different game from someone playing it on a RTX 4090 that is 5 times more expensive.

Anyone that doesn't see the value of the PS5 Pro can simply stick to the base PS5 and be fine.
Expectation of value, consoles have always been marketed as a value proposition fighting each other for the lowest costs possible.

High end PC hardware has never marketed itself in this fashion, it's always been expensive and the expectation of that expense is built in.
 

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Expectation of value, consoles have always been marketed as a value proposition fighting each other for the lowest costs possible.

High end PC hardware has never marketed itself in this fashion, it's always been expensive and the expectation of that expense is built in.
Absolute nonsense. You did not have RTX 4090 type cards in the past, NVidia kept pushing for more premium products over the years. Why can't PlayStation do the same?

In 2006 a GTX 8800 was launched for $599.

Now we have complete idiots comparing GPUs that cost multiple time the price of a console, as a way to try and make them look bad while also pressuring for consoles never to increase in price.

PCMR are just as disingenuous as Xbots.
 
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Absolute nonsense. You did not have RTX 4090 type cards in the past, NVidia kept pushing for more premium products over the years. Why can't PlayStation do the same?
PC even back in the early 2000's had cards hitting the $500 and above threshold making that about $900 today.

While what you're saying on the surface seems genuine and accurate it's just not. The cost of R&D is far higher, manufacturing is far more costly, the use, type and amount of precious metals has increased.

$1,500 for top of the fray enthusiast low margin hardware seems on par with where things would be given the current state of affairs.

The 4080 is the actual flagship, things like the 4090 and Titan cards are the comical throw everything at the wall GPU's because why not.

PlayStation can attempt to go higher, but without the years long conditioning it will be a tough sell for its respective market.
 

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PC even back in the early 2000's had cards hitting the $500 and above threshold making that about $900 today.

While what you're saying on the surface seems genuine and accurate it's just not. The cost of R&D is far higher, manufacturing is far more costly, the use, type and amount of precious metals has increased.

$1,500 for top of the fray enthusiast low margin hardware seems on par with where things would be given the current state of affairs.

The 4080 is the actual flagship, things like the 4090 and Titan cards are the comical throw everything at the wall GPU's because why not.

PlayStation can attempt to go higher, but without the years long conditioning it will be a tough sell for its respective market.
Are you ignorant to the fact that we also had consoles costing more than $500 in those days?

Somehow all your excuses for more expensive GPUs do not apply for a console? Makes absolutely no sense.

I love how he's so confident despite not understanding shit. And by no means do I mean I understand more than him, but fuck me, he was drooling at the series X and how it would be the tower of power, masturbating at those 12 thick floppies.
I love how for years DF kept saying they couldn't understand what was going on, that those were surprising results, that there were missing tools, etc. When in fact pretty much everything we saw lined up with what Cerny said on his presentation and what we got from early leaks from devs that had both systems.

For years DF was pretty much doing MS marketing and PR with all their excuses and biased takes.
 
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Are you ignorant to the fact that we also had consoles costing more than $500 in those days?

Somehow all your excuses for more expensive GPUs do not apply for a console? Makes absolutely no sense.
Which $500+ consoles were a success at those prices? Oh yeah, zero.
 

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Which $500+ consoles were a success at those prices? Oh yeah, zero.
PlayStation 3 sold more than any Xbox ever and had a $599 model on release.

It was a poorly designed hardware in hindsight and was too expensive to manufacture but it actually always sold well, the public was there for it.
 

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PlayStation 3 sold more than any Xbox ever and had a $599 model on release.

It was a poorly designed hardware in hindsight and was too expensive to manufacture but it actually always sold well, the public was there for it.
Wrong, it bombed out of the gate because of that price. It wasn't until they nixxed that price and gutted the hardware level BC capability from the system until it started to move units.

We're talking year 3... Do you honestly believe people are this blind to just deny reality we were personally involved with? Wow.
 
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