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The copout for most undercover XBOX fans is to pose as PC fans...."I only play PC man", yet they all have an XBOX account and can't stop talking about the virtues of Forza, Halo, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay and Crackdown 3........GOW, Returnal and GT all play the same, Uncharted is a movie they will watch on youtube, more cutscenes than gameplay, but pentiment is the most hardcore gameplay game they've played in centuries, Goty 2022, you can't make this up........You know what I appreciate is people who own their stuff, you are an XBOX fan, just own it, it's the hypocrisy that's distracting tbh....
They side with Xbox because MS brings every game to PC unlike PlayStation.
 
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They side with Xbox because MS brings every game to PC unlike PlayStation.
I think it's also because they feel less 'threatened' by them because Xbox is so useless much of the time.

The same thing happened on GAF with Nintendo fanboys like fhose weird guys Bodoism and Clarissa who would happily big up Xbox from time to time, but shit on Sony at every opportunity.

It's the same with the PCMR - they feel their superiority threatened by Sony's genius in a way they never could by the constantly flopping Xbox. So we're left with arguments that boil down to technical advantages - of a £2,000+ PC Vs a £480 console.
 

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I think it's also because they feel less 'threatened' by them because Xbox is so useless much of the time.

The same thing happened on GAF with Nintendo fanboys like fhose weird guys Bodoism and Clarissa who would happily big up Xbox from time to time, but shit on Sony at every opportunity.

It's the same with the PCMR - they feel their superiority threatened by Sony's genius in a way they never could by the constantly flopping Xbox. So we're left with arguments that boil down to technical advantages - of a £2,000+ PC Vs a £480 console.
Sony disrupts the narrative that only PCs can do impressive things, and they always have.

Anyone who uses the term PC Master Race without irony has way too much of their identity tied up in their PC and their perception of how it shows them to be smarter, richer, cooler and better than everyone else, so to see situations like Callisto Protocol and Witcher 3 running better on a filthy console just tears at their very soul. It means that the most important part of their identity is invalid.
 
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Anyone who claims From games run best on PC are suspicious too, as all the Souls games and derivatives run on an engine built by Sony that is cross-platform, but has issues on Xbox and PC that the Playstation builds either don't, or not to anywhere near the same extent.
From games runs well on PC after the community fix it… it has the same uneven framepace of consoles that From never cared about.
 

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From games runs well on PC after the community fix it… it has the same uneven framepace of consoles that From never cared about.
From uses an off-the-shelf Sony engine, the Phyre Engine, and they don't modify it. It is a multi-platform engine, but runs best on PlayStation systems, always has in everything it has been used in, including non-From games. From also doesn't do the PC and Xbox ports of their games, those were handled by contract studios working for BandaiNamco for the Souls games and Elden Ring, and Activision for Sekiro.
 

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Sony disrupts the narrative that only PCs can do impressive things, and they always have.

Anyone who uses the term PC Master Race without irony has way too much of their identity tied up in their PC and their perception of how it shows them to be smarter, richer, cooler and better than everyone else, so to see situations like Callisto Protocol and Witcher 3 running better on a filthy console just tears at their very soul. It means that the most important part of their identity is invalid.
Yeah I mean I've been an owner of a gaming PC since 2009 and I would never refer to myself like that. I can only assume that people who use the term have given up on ever getting a girlfriend 😁

Yes this is the downside if you're someone who spends big on a high-end PC. It's great if you're focused on performance and just want more frames, but in terms of graphical effects - ultimately the vast majority of games nowadays target consoles. And you've got first-party teams who are able to push out games that are technically amazing, especially considering the relative cheapness of the hardware.
 

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Yeah I mean I've been an owner of a gaming PC since 2009 and I would never refer to myself like that. I can only assume that people who use the term have given up on ever getting a girlfriend 😁

Yes this is the downside if you're someone who spends big on a high-end PC. It's great if you're focused on performance and just want more frames, but in terms of graphical effects - ultimately the vast majority of games nowadays target consoles. And you've got first-party teams who are able to push out games that are technically amazing, especially considering the relative cheapness of the hardware.
Yup, it's like buying a McLaren to drive one block to work every day. The tiny dick energy that it projects to spend 3-6x what you need to do what you're doing and brag about it is so laughable that it should be painfully clear to those who do it. And yet, they don't get how pathetic they look.

It reminds me of the knobs who drive lifted F-250s that never have a scratch or speck of dirt on them. Seriously minuscule genetalia.
 

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I think it's also because they feel less 'threatened' by them because Xbox is so useless much of the time.

The same thing happened on GAF with Nintendo fanboys like fhose weird guys Bodoism and Clarissa who would happily big up Xbox from time to time, but shit on Sony at every opportunity.

It's the same with the PCMR - they feel their superiority threatened by Sony's genius in a way they never could by the constantly flopping Xbox. So we're left with arguments that boil down to technical advantages - of a £2,000+ PC Vs a £480 console.
Yeah, most hate PlayStation because of the success, the accolades, the sales. Anytime PS get a goty caliber game, they all come out the woodwork. I can never forget the time when some reviewer said he preferred Horizon over Zelda, man things got really messy, people had to prove that Zelda had all these great technical and graphical features and it's gameplay systems/depth was second to none. I don't think anyone would say they prefer to play Sea of thieves over Zelda or an XBOX first party for that matter, so they tag along with the guy who can never challenge their high scores, sales or their reputation for quality games.
 

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Yeah I mean I've been an owner of a gaming PC since 2009 and I would never refer to myself like that. I can only assume that people who use the term have given up on ever getting a girlfriend 😁

Yes this is the downside if you're someone who spends big on a high-end PC. It's great if you're focused on performance and just want more frames, but in terms of graphical effects - ultimately the vast majority of games nowadays target consoles. And you've got first-party teams who are able to push out games that are technically amazing, especially considering the relative cheapness of the hardware.
PCMR is a relatively new thing, tbh it means nothing. I would say that a lot of the PCMR attitude came from early shooters, where kb+mouse completely outclassed controller aiming, and not just because hurdurr $3000 pc plays 120fps. I remember watching vods of console players playing early battlefield/call of duty games and laughing at how hilariously bad their aim was because of how hard controllers are to track fast moving targets without aim assist.
 

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Yeah, most hate PlayStation because of the success, the accolades, the sales. Anytime PS get a goty caliber game, they all come out the woodwork. I can never forget the time when some reviewer said he preferred Horizon over Zelda, man things got really messy, people had to prove that Zelda had all these great technical and graphical features and it's gameplay systems/depth was second to none. I don't think anyone would say they prefer to play Sea of thieves over Zelda or an XBOX first party for that matter, so they tag along with the guy who can never challenge their high scores, sales or their reputation for quality games.
It is funny to see the constant doomsaying about PlayStation, too. All the idiotic false narratives about third-system failure and how you can't win the western world without FPS games, or how Sony doesn't have great first-party because they have 5 10-million sellers a generation instead of 1 game selling 30 million.

And yet, every generation, Sony gets the sales, the accolades and the love. Even with MS owning the games media, when the rubber hits the road, Xbox just doesn't deliver. It is PC's little brother, and is just as boring.
 

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PCMR is a relatively new thing, tbh it means nothing. I would say that a lot of the PCMR attitude came from early shooters, where kb+mouse completely outclassed controller aiming, and not just because hurdurr $3000 pc plays 120fps. I remember watching vods of console players playing early battlefield/call of duty games and laughing at how hilariously bad their aim was because of how hard controllers are to track fast moving targets without aim assist.
Yeah I have to play FPS with mouse and keyboard, my aim with controllers is baaad 😂
 

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Yup, it's like buying a McLaren to drive one block to work every day. The tiny dick energy that it projects to spend 3-6x what you need to do what you're doing and brag about it is so laughable that it should be painfully clear to those who do it. And yet, they don't get how pathetic they look.

It reminds me of the knobs who drive lifted F-250s that never have a scratch or speck of dirt on them. Seriously minuscule genetalia.
Small dick energy manifests itself in a myriad of ways ✌️
 

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PCMR is a relatively new thing, tbh it means nothing. I would say that a lot of the PCMR attitude came from early shooters, where kb+mouse completely outclassed controller aiming, and not just because hurdurr $3000 pc plays 120fps. I remember watching vods of console players playing early battlefield/call of duty games and laughing at how hilariously bad their aim was because of how hard controllers are to track fast moving targets without aim assist.
PC gaming was great back then, there was none of this elitism. PC was about some of the most diverse and emergent genres being developed. It was a time when everybody was taking risks, being creative and building the gaming scene, development was encouraged, less laws to curtail things, less me vs them. The scene was ripe with shareware, freeware etc...and even hardware was diverse and competitive. It was that time you got games like Blood, Hexen, Phantasmagoria, Giants Citizen Kabuto, The Sims, Tomb Raider, Soldier of Fortune, Nolf, Thief etc......Some games you got back then, you would not dream of bringing it fourth in this current climate, like Heavy Metal FAKK; there are now more movements to curtail creativity and freedom of storytelling in games right now. So PC is no longer as it used to be. The master race has also made the viability of games that really showcased PC hardware really hard and actually stunted that growth, with their spending habits, justifying ridiculous GPU prices and raising the ceiling too high for talented gamers and even creators, just so they can say, "I'll buy Nvidia with their proprietary wares no matter what", I'll spend 3k for the best or buy two Ti's for SLI. They stifled the competition, Nvidia monopolized and took control and partnered with Intel to secure their foothold further.

Consoles have been the saving grace for gaming. Console have been pushing the creativity, the GOTY's and even best graphics for the last few decades. A game in the vein of Crysis, built ground up for PC is no longer viable on the platform, no one is going to make a game just for the 4000 series of GPU's, only a few would be able to run it. Hence in every generation, console is what's leading the front, because most gamers who value a mix of good graphics and gameplay are on console. The majority of PC gamers don't even have hardware as good as consoles and the majority of them play candy crush etc...It's only a small sample who are loud come on forums and spend thousands to run old games at 300fps on 60hz monitors, or spend thousands to now cripple the framerates of old games with RT.....
 
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PC gaming was great back then, there was none of this elitism. PC was about some of the most diverse and emergent genres being developed. It was a time when everybody was taking risks, being creative and building the gaming scene, development was encouraged, less laws to curtail things, less me vs them. The scene was ripe with shareware, freeware etc...and even hardware was diverse and competitive. It was that time you got games like Blood, Hexen, Phantasmagoria, Giants Citizen Kabuto, The Sims, Tomb Raider, Soldier of Fortune, Nolf, Thief etc......Some games you got back then, you would not dream of bringing it fourth in this current climate, like Heavy Metal FAKK; there are now more movements to curtail creativity and freedom of storytelling in games right now. So PC is no longer as it used to be. The master race has also made the viability of games that really showcased PC hardware really hard and actually stunted that growth, with their spending habits, justifying ridiculous GPU prices and raising the ceiling too high for talented gamers and even creators, just so they can say, "I'll buy Nvidia with their proprietary wares no matter what", I'll spend 3k for the best or buy two Ti's for SLI. They stifled the competition, Nvidia monopolized and took control and partnered with Intel to secure their foothold further.

Consoles have been the saving grace for gaming. Console have been pushing the creativity, the GOTY's and even best graphics for the last few decades. A game in the vein of Crysis, built ground up for PC is no longer viable on the platform, no one if going to make a game just for the 4000 series of GPU's, only a few would be able to run it. Hence in every generation, console is what's leading the front, because most gamers who value a mix of good graphics and gameplay are on console. The majority of PC gamers don't even have hardware as good as consoles and the majority of them play candy crush etc...It's only a small sample who are loud come on forums and spend thousands to run old games at 300fps on 60hz monitors, or spend thousands to now cripple the framerates of old games with RT.....
PC elitism was around back then, too. I knew a few proto-PCMR types in the late 90s. It was amusing to see someone buy one of the dead-end early 3D cards and claim it was better than a PS1, only to run the PC port of WipeOut at 10 FPS with no textures.
 
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PC elitism was around back then, too. I knew a few photo-PCMR types in the late 90s. It was amusing to see someone buy one of the dead-end early 3D cards and claim it was better than a PS1, only to run the PC port of WipeOut at 10 FPS with no textures.

I remember I was on PC back around 99 - 2001/2 and I got one of the early GPU's and I could run nearly everything until Splinter Cell (1) came out and it made my entire PC freeze up. LOL

Disaster.

Course PS2 had no issue running any Splinter Cell and came with a DVD player soon after that.
 

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PC gaming was great back then, there was none of this elitism. PC was about some of the most diverse and emergent genres being developed. It was a time when everybody was taking risks, being creative and building the gaming scene, development was encouraged, less laws to curtail things, less me vs them. The scene was ripe with shareware, freeware etc...and even hardware was diverse and competitive. It was that time you got games like Blood, Hexen, Phantasmagoria, Giants Citizen Kabuto, The Sims, Tomb Raider, Soldier of Fortune, Nolf, Thief etc......Some games you got back then, you would not dream of bringing it fourth in this current climate, like Heavy Metal FAKK; there are now more movements to curtail creativity and freedom of storytelling in games right now. So PC is no longer as it used to be. The master race has also made the viability of games that really showcased PC hardware really hard and actually stunted that growth, with their spending habits, justifying ridiculous GPU prices and raising the ceiling too high for talented gamers and even creators, just so they can say, "I'll buy Nvidia with their proprietary wares no matter what", I'll spend 3k for the best or buy two Ti's for SLI. They stifled the competition, Nvidia monopolized and took control and partnered with Intel to secure their foothold further.

Consoles have been the saving grace for gaming. Console have been pushing the creativity, the GOTY's and even best graphics for the last few decades. A game in the vein of Crysis, built ground up for PC is no longer viable on the platform, no one if going to make a game just for the 4000 series of GPU's, only a few would be able to run it. Hence in every generation, console is what's leading the front, because most gamers who value a mix of good graphics and gameplay are on console. The majority of PC gamers don't even have hardware as good as consoles and the majority of them play candy crush etc...It's only a small sample who are loud come on forums and spend thousands to run old games at 300fps on 60hz monitors, or spend thousands to now cripple the framerates of old games with RT.....

Imo the creativity has always been in the modding scene. My personal best game of all time came from a mod of half-life called natural selection. To this day I wish it could have gotten AAA backing because their attempt at a standalone game was killed by technical problems owing to engine inefficiency/optimization problems. I still played like 2500 hours of ns2 and it's my favorite game of all time but there's always a question of what-if.

Unfortunately games with high production values these days cost too much for publishers to want to do risky/niche things.
 
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Imo the creativity has always been in the modding scene. My personal best game of all time came from a mod of half-life called natural selection. To this day I wish it could have gotten AAA backing because their attempt at a standalone game was killed by technical problems owing to engine inefficiency/optimization problems. I still played like 2500 hours of ns2 and it's my favorite game of all time but there's always a question of what-if.

Unfortunately games with high production values these days cost too much for publishers to want to do risky/niche things.
That's why Sony tends to have more diversity and innovation in their lineup. When you have the volume, you can afford to make a game that only appeals to 20% of the market.