Sony to Take Action as PS5, PS4 Owners Play Less Than Anticipated

[DynamiteCop]

So instead of selling first AND third party software on an own device, where the users might also subscribe for their subscription service, to further ensure that a user remains in the PlayStation ecosystem, they should lose 30% on their first party games (or 100% in case of piracy), the 30% they got from third party games, any possibility for subscription money, and all that after having spent money to make the port.

You are right, very little thought in here.

You guys need to stop shilling for a company as if you're invested in them and give a crap about whether they're making more profits or revenue. It's the weakest argument you could possibly make.

It's completely asinine to want for a Sony device which emulates the computational power of the Steam Deck instead of going with the more logical route which is port more games to PC and the problem is self resolved.

This allows Sony to make as much money as possible with as little of an investment as possible, so even with a 30% cut their profits are wildly higher while there's no risk of creating another failed platform like the Vita

 

[Muddasar]

Or picture this, Sony just continues to port their games to PC making the need for a proprietary handheld from them completely useless as you could just buy a Steam Deck..

For all the talking around here there's very little actual thought.

To make more money maybe.

They are already doing what you said.

Spiderman remastered has been confirmed as Steam Deck verified.

GOW, HZD and Days Gone also run on Steam Deck.

 

[DynamiteCop]

To make more money maybe.

They are already doing what you said.

Spiderman remastered has been confirmed as Steam Deck verified.

GOW, HZD and Days Gone also run on Steam Deck.

Exactly, so there's absolutely no need for a secondary handheld platform created by them directly.

 

[Muddasar]

You guys need to stop shilling for a company as if you're invested in them and give a crap about whether they're making more profits or revenue. It's the weakest argument you could possibly make.

It's completely asinine to want for a Sony device which emulates the computational power of the Steam Deck instead of going with the more logical route which is port more games to PC and the problem is self resolved.

This allows Sony to make as much money as possible with as little of an investment as possible, so even with a 30% cut their profits are wildly higher while there's no risk of creating another failed platform like the Vita

There you go again. Port more games to PC. Port more games to PC.

How about taking a dose of your own medicine and stop shilling for PC as if you're invested in them.

Why do you see the need to bring PC into every damn discussion and derail a thread.

 

[DynamiteCop]

There you go again. Port more games to PC. Port more games to PC.

How about taking a dose of your own medicine and stop shilling for PC as if you're invested in them.

Why do you see the need to bring PC into every damn discussion and derail a thread.

I'm bringing PC into the equation because what you're asking for is lunacy. There's already a Steam Deck equivalent device in the market which plays Sony's games, guess what it's called? The Steam Deck.

Stop asking for dumb fanatical bullshit when there's already something which completely fills that void and only requires Sony to step up in one regard.

 

[Muddasar]

I'm bringing PC into the equation because what you're asking for is lunacy. There's already a Steam Deck equivalent device in the market which plays Sony's games, guess what it's called? The Steam Deck.

Stop asking for dumb fanatical bullshit when there's already something which completely fills that void and only requires Sony to step up in one regard.

You honestly need help.

Using your logic why the hell did Valve release the Steam Deck when PCs were running their Steam Service and games just fine for almost 2 decades?

Going further why did Valve release the Steam Machines too?

 

[ethomaz]

The problem though is that Sony and MS is too late to the party with this one. The Steam deck is a complete PC with all the benefits of PC gaming so it gets all the exclusives on the consoles (PS/Xbox) and all the backward compatibility of every PC game out. If Sony released another PS Vita, it wouldn't sell because the Steam Deck would match it 1) and 2) it would get the games that are coming to the PS Vita in PC format.

Valve definitely had a diamond here and they can make this be even more of a monster in the future with hardware upgrades and stabilizing the OS. They even solved the shader compilation for games by doing it automatically before game starts.

I should buy a new Vita even after the disappointment in terms of software the Vita was.
I always wanted to buy a Switch (maybe it will happen).

But the Steam Deck I have no desire at all to own one… the fact it is like a PC put me out. I prefer the easy of use and limitations of a dedicated gaming divide over PC.

 

[ethomaz]

I'm bringing PC into the equation because what you're asking for is lunacy. There's already a Steam Deck equivalent device in the market which plays Sony's games, guess what it's called? The Steam Deck.

Stop asking for dumb fanatical bullshit when there's already something which completely fills that void and only requires Sony to step up in one regard.

Steam Deck doesn’t play most of Sony’s games.
But that is not even the point…

 

[arvfab]

You guys need to stop shilling for a company as if you're invested in them and give a crap about whether they're making more profits or revenue. It's the weakest argument you could possibly make.

It's completely asinine to want for a Sony device which emulates the computational power of the Steam Deck instead of going with the more logical route which is port more games to PC and the problem is self resolved.

This allows Sony to make as much money as possible with as little of an investment as possible, so even with a 30% cut their profits are wildly higher while there's no risk of creating another failed platform like the Vita

But a new dedicated handheld could be much more than a Steam Deck copy. Integration with other PlayStation consoles, maybe alternative input methods with dedicated games, the possibility of physical games. Just a few points why the only asinine opinion in this thread, is the one of the PC port beggars.

 

[DynamiteCop]

I should buy a new Vita even after the disappointment in terms of software the Vita was.
I always wanted to buy a Switch (maybe it will happen).

But the Steam Deck I have no desire at all to own one… the fact it is like a PC put me out. I prefer the easy of use and limitations of a dedicated gaming divide over PC.

You clearly haven't researched the Steam Deck then because the UI and functionality is basically that of a console. Install game, launch game.

 

[DynamiteCop]

You honestly need help.

Using your logic why the hell did Valve release the Steam Deck when PCs were running their Steam Service and games just fine for almost 2 decades?

Going further why did Valve release the Steam Machines too?

Because there was neither a viable nor an affordable alternative in the market. With the existence of the Steam Deck and Sony's games being on PC them launching a handheld makes no sense as there's already an affordable and viable alternative.

It would be an inferior redundancy garden walled in.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You clearly haven't researched the Steam Deck then because the UI and functionality is basically that of a console. Install game, launch game.

You left out the part where the game may not work, and you still have to fuck with configurations particularly on Steam deck since it's a crap low powered PC.

Also "Sony's games being on PC" is a huge overstatement.

I'm a huge PC guy and a big Valve fan but claiming "vita is redundant" because of Steam deck is just ridiculous.

 

[Remember_Spinal]

I do think a dedicated sony handheld at this point is a waste. R&D, marketing, extra development cost…its not worth it.

Its why Sony are embracing the Steam Deck it saves them a lot of trouble trying to compete in that market again and gets directly to sales. Eventually most sony first party games post 2016 will be on it

 

[DynamiteCop]

You left out the part where the game may not work, and you still have to fuck with configurations particularly on Steam deck since it's a crap low powered PC.

Also "Sony's games being on PC" is a huge overstatement.

I'm a huge PC guy and a big Valve fan but claiming "vita is redundant" because of Steam deck is just ridiculous.

I've yet to run into a game that didn't work, also most games these days are pretty intelligently coded and configure themselves automatically based upon hardware configuration.

In the event you do have to configure the game, oh no. God forbid I have to spend two and a half minutes adjusting settings for a game I'm going to play for the 30 hours.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I've yet to run into a game that didn't work, also most games these days are pretty intelligently coded and configure themselves automatically based upon hardware configuration.

In the event you do have to configure the game, oh no. God forbid I have to spend two and a half minutes adjusting settings for a game I'm going to play for the 30 hours.

I dunno man, I've had a different experience.. but it turned me off so much I stopped using the thing. It boils down to the games you play... you can claim "i've yet to run into a game" but how many games have you played?

It's a crapshoot really.

Stories like "OVER half of the top 100 games work!" are so odd to me... ALMSOT half of your top 100 games NOT working is not a good thing lol

And "work" is being taken pretty loosely even... many games that "work" still have things like UI issues or proton glitches.

I don't need a lecture on how it's not that difficult to config games.. it's quite objectively exponentially more difficult than console games are to "configure" (at most, 2 options?)

When talking about the marketability of a game platform guys like us who've been PC gaming for decades aren't very relatable to the average consumer.

 

[ethomaz]

Because there was neither a viable nor an affordable alternative in the market. With the existence of the Steam Deck and Sony's games being on PC them launching a handheld makes no sense as there's already an affordable and viable alternative.

It would be an inferior redundancy garden walled in.

If everything goes like well...
That is the issue with PC.
It normally don't.

You can find very easy why there are a lot of issues with games with Steam Deck... it is just something that doesn't get me... but hey it is not a Steam Deck fault it is the nature of PC games.

 

[DynamiteCop]

If everything goes like well...
That is the issue with PC.
It normally don't.

This is just ignorant, the normality of PC gaming is it working as intended in almost every scenario. In almost every situation problems are a result of user error.

 

[ethomaz]

This is just ignorant, the normality of PC gaming is it working as intended in almost every scenario. In almost every situation problems are a result of user error.

It is the opposite of ignorant... it is called research.

And the blame the user excuse... never gets old I guess lol
I mean I already saw people blaming the victim in aggression scenarios... so it is not uncommon.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Most PC games work the first time.. the biggest thing is to keep OS/drivers up to date. (although real fun stuff I've had to revert drivers before lol)

It's still exponentially more problems than a console.. that's what a lot of my fellow PC gamers just don't seem to get. Elden Ring just outright didn't work for me when I installed it.. problem mysteriously went away after an OS update.. that came out a week after Elden Ring. That's the first time in a while I had a PC game not work for me at launch, but it sucks.

Beyond that controls aren't 100% standardized either, and not all games work very well with a controller at all in the first place.

PC is great and less hassle than some make it out to be, but it's a lot more hassle than most PC fanboys seem to want to admit.

Steam Deck is not any reason why Sony should avoid the handheld market either way IMO. They have a lot of reason not to do it but that's not one of them.

 

[DynamiteCop]

It is the opposite of ignorant... it is called research.

And the blame the user excuse... never gets old I guess lol

The fact that you have to do research means that you're completely ignorant to the platform as you don't use it. Your research is bullshit. The user experience on PC is nearly flawless.

Most of the issues people freak out about are the result of mistakes they've made, hardware they shouldn't be running for that given game, or them tinkering with things they should not be.

The last actual issue I have encountered on PC was with Rage and a driver issue well over a decade ago.