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Discussion The Doomers and Gloomers, Sony is dying thread.

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Danja said:
Partially their fault for this fallout
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How so? rising costs of quite literally everything in the world? or by simply putting games out on PC? How are these two things in anyway making the games you play worse?

Here's a list of new games I have played this year, I have beaten all of them, yes.

Helldivers 2
Like a Dragon 8
FFVIIR
Dragons Dogma 2
Rise of the Ronin
Stellar Blade
Shadow of Erdtree
Space Marine 2
Black Myth Wukong
Astro Bot
Concord (RIP)


Still waiting on Silent Hill 2 ( a remake people have asked for, for YEARS) and Metaphor ( Persona 5 teams new game )

If you tell me this is a weak roster of games, I'd love to know what the good games actually are. How on earth could I have experienced all these games, and come to the conclusion that this year is weak? The ONLY game that has left me disappointed is Wukong.
 
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voke said:
How so? rising costs of quite literally everything in the world? or by simply putting games out on PC? How are these two things in anyway making the games you play worse?
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I don't think the price is really the issue as most of the PlayStation spends a lot overall. I think just been Sony sewing resentment amongst parts of its hardcore base, lack of communication, keeping gamers in the dark with regards to games coming, seeing the little exclusives being given away to PC with better enhancements, more PC announcements this year than first Party games for PS5, while raising prices on everything for PS players to offsets loses
 
Danja said:
I don't think the price is really the issue as most of the PlayStation spends a lot overall. I think just been Sony sewing resentment amongst parts of its hardcore base, lack of communication, keeping gamers in the dark with regards to games coming, seeing the little exclusives being given away to PC with better enhancements, more PC announcements this year than first Party games for PS5, while raising prices on everything for PS players to offsets loses
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Communication, exclusives, and a premium console.... are all enough to negate a slew of great games dropping.... that don't sound like a sony issue IMO.
 
voke said:
Feels like Sony dooming has reached a height.... I have never seen so many people have it out for this brand as I do now. Sorry but I cannot agree with anyone saying this generation is trash....
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Danja said:
Partially their fault for this fallout
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voke said:
How so? rising costs of quite literally everything in the world? or by simply putting games out on PC? How are these two things in anyway making the games you play worse?
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Personally, I believe that the dooming and glooming in all aspects are from idiots, morons and retarded mother fuckers who would much rather bitch about anything and everything as opposed to just doing what this hobby/form of entertainment is all about - enjoying and having fun playing video games.

I'm probably one of the few actual gamers who has enjoyed this generation and playing games on my Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5. Both Microsoft and Sony for me personally - game wise - have done great for the most part and when compared to Xbox One and PlayStation 4 respectively, both have surpassed what I had in the same time frame last generation. The only thing that I can see people having an issue with is Microsoft/Sony not releasing as many games as they did last generation in the same time frame but their games have been of a higher quality, at least for me anyway and this is one trade I will always accept - less but higher quality games.
 
peter42O said:
Personally, I believe that the dooming and glooming in all aspects are from idiots, morons and retarded mother fuckers who would much rather bitch about anything and everything as opposed to just doing what this hobby/form of entertainment is all about - enjoying and having fun playing video games.

I'm probably one of the few actual gamers who has enjoyed this generation and playing games on my Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5. Both Microsoft and Sony for me personally - game wise - have done great for the most part and when compared to Xbox One and PlayStation 4 respectively, both have surpassed what I had in the same time frame last generation. The only thing that I can see people having an issue with is Microsoft/Sony not releasing as many games as they did last generation in the same time frame but their games have been of a higher quality, at least for me anyway and this is one trade I will always accept - less but higher quality games.
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It’s true. I do feel like people within these spaces hardly play any games to begin with. Just lurkers in spaces they don’t even belong. I’ve seen countless comments like “where the games Sony wtf” like bro…. They dropped astrobot 2 weeks ago, the highest rated game of the entire year. We don’t hold other publishers to this standard but we do with Sony 100%.
 
voke said:
It’s true. I do feel like people within these spaces hardly play any games to begin with. Just lurkers in spaces they don’t even belong. I’ve seen countless comments like “where the games Sony wtf” like bro…. They dropped astrobot 2 weeks ago, the highest rated game of the entire year. We don’t hold other publishers to this standard but we do with Sony 100%.
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Yeah, I agree but more than anything, I think it's just online discourse that eventually blows up into something bigger than it should be because gaming outlets will write articles and all this other shit for clicks which keeps the conversation going.

If social media didn't exist, I believe that 95% of what's talked about negatively wouldn't even be a thing. You might one or two things a year but that's it. Now, it's almost a weekly basis of negativity for anything and everything. It's ridiculous to say the least.

I do think other publishers get held to the same standard. How many years have we all seen people call out Microsoft in regards to having no games? Countless articles too. It's just something that generates clicks and ad revenue which is what most gaming sites if not all of them and those on twitter care about. It's all about the engagement and negativity does bring more engagement than positivity in general and doesn't matter what brand, company or game it is.
 
Danja said:
Lol but it is a Sony issue as it's affecting the discourse around their brand
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And do exactly? Go against what their creative teams want by making marketing cycles long again? Whipping them into shape to wow the world every summer again? Or maybe to stop releasing games on PC? Or maybe assign studios to work on dead IP against their will? Maybe do what literally no tech company has ever done, and make the premium option of your hardware cheap and affordable for all?

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. And at the end of the day, none of these points have anything to do with game experiences themselves, yet it’s all people can focus on. The discussion around games business, games competition, have gotten bigger than the games themselves!
 
voke said:
And do exactly? Go against what their creative teams want by making marketing cycles long again? Whipping them into shape to wow the world every summer again? Or maybe to stop releasing games on PC? Or maybe assign studios to work on dead IP against their will? Maybe do what literally no tech company has ever done, and make the premium option of your hardware cheap and affordable for all?

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. And at the end of the day, none of these points have anything to do with game experiences themselves, yet it’s all people can focus on. The discussion around games business, games competition, have gotten bigger than the games themselves!
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Oh man, sorry I forgot it's now wrong for gamers to want to be informed about stuff regarding gaming and a console ecosystem they are actively financially investing in lol. Nobody is demanding any of what you stated, but it also doesn't kill to communicate and adapt to a changing landscape instead of allowing negativity to foster around your brand... at the start of the PS4 generation they understood the importance of communication, messaging and how it affects brand strength and morale .... Never would the 24/7 Brand beating in social spheres be allowed to happen like it is now.

Pulling out of almost every game show case in which fans were accustomed to and then replacing it with mediocre SOP that most times does not do much in revealing anything with what lies ahead, again, it's their issue. Console prices are being raised on consumers 4 years into the gen, subscription prices are raised while the service gets worse, control prices are raised... while again console players are seeing all the exclusives go to another platform... yes it does affect the sentiments of some whether you choose to see it or not.... That is the mindset Sony themselves cultivated for 3 decades and conditioned their base to accept from them lol... If you are gonna then pull the rig from under them, then make sure to make them feel good while doing soo.
 
voke said:
Go against what their creative teams want by making marketing cycles long again?
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Sorry but they are salaried employees and need to do what they are told to do, If my boss asks me to do my JOB I for sure fucking will. Is it too much to expect people take a couple of hours a week and getting a trailer ready for a June show. \

These people already miss project milestones by the bucketload as seen from 5+ years of dev timelines, that naughty dog sham documentary has given a free license to be lazy as fuck
 
there is no way on earth Hermen Hulst doesn't get fired after this, and that's amazing, he's a cancer to PlayStation, not only he's been championing and pushing for GAAs games under SIE, but he's been pushing for multiplatform releases too, these PC ports are heavly influenced by him and you can't tell me it's not, Horizon Zero Dawn was the first game to go to PC, the initiative started in Guerrilla, Horizon Lego Adventures is the first game to go to Nintendo Switch, again, there is a precedent here, the way this guy was PROMOTED to the top position of SIE being a CEO this year tells me everything i need to know of the future of the brand if he stays in charge, time for him to be FIRED and 1000% blacklisted within the company
 
You guys haven't got a clue if you think Herman going is gonna change anything.

I mean folks hated jim for the same reasons. But I guess Jim leaving made everything better right?
 
No reason this couldn’t be a post in one of 3 topics about the same thing… especially considering similar sentiments where probably said by yourself and others there.

I believe this is called … spam.
 
FatKaz said:
You guys haven't got a clue if you think Herman going is gonna change anything.

I mean folks hated jim for the same reasons. But I guess Jim leaving made everything better right?
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so Hermen was the one who made Sony lose 400M on Concord + god knows how much on Firewalk, and you want him to stay and get promoted? this is some Xbot mentality here, just like Phil Spencer... HE. NEEDS. TO. GO.
 
Vertigo said:
No reason this couldn’t be a post in one of 3 topics about the same thing… especially considering similar sentiments where probably said by yourself and others there.

I believe this is called … spam.
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it's not, i'm just trying to look at the positive side of it
 
Lol Concord didnt cost 400million. People need to stop spreading shit

But Hermen needs to go. TBH Sony needs to figure how to deal with online hate, lies and some other issues. Not FUD just normal
 
He better hope and pray, Fairgames isn’t the massive catastrophe flop that Concord was. That game looks like it has as much budget as Concord, especially since they’re using that cloud tech. You can’t keep having these multi 100M dollar flops on your watch.
 
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Etifilio said:
there is no way on earth Hermen Hulst doesn't get fired after this, and that's amazing, he's a cancer to PlayStation, not only he's been championing and pushing for GAAs games under SIE, but he's been pushing for multiplatform releases too, these PC ports are heavly influenced by him and you can't tell me it's not, Horizon Zero Dawn was the first game to go to PC, the initiative started in Guerrilla, Horizon Lego Adventures is the first game to go to Nintendo Switch, again, there is a precedent here, the way this guy was PROMOTED to the top position of SIE being a CEO this year tells me everything i need to know of the future of the brand if he stays in charge, time for him to be FIRED and 1000% blacklisted within the company
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U ppl are talking nonsense. Concord didn't cost $400mil and Herman isn't getting fired. Herman was just appointed firing him would reflect badly kenichro and hiroki. They aren't going to give the board any reason to think they are making bad decisions. They will blame the heads of firewall but they definitely are going to blame Herman publicly. Lol u guys really need to stop sony doesn't care about u or your opinions. They will continue with gaas and continue to put games on pc and license out older ip and even core ip. That's the future just accept it.
 
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