Xbox needs to be called out more for its lack of innovation.

[DynamiteCop]

So? Still the same.

It actually sucks for AAA and high budget games since it doesn't get the same revenue sales would get. Sony will never but something like Ragnarok day one on PS+

Quick Resume is a niche feature that barely alters user experience

Like smartphones do since forever

Nope:

https://skyone.solutions/en/hub/cloud/who-invented-cloud-computing/

That's an Nvidia product

RT is not an innovation, it exists for years and has been used in CG movies for decades

I just demolished every single thing you said

You seem to have a fundamental comprehension issue as to benefits provided to gaming. Microsoft created variable rate shading and Nvidia adopted it. Microsoft and Nvidia working together brought Ray Tracing to the gaming market via DXR.

Microsoft is the first company to bring cloud computing to the gaming space in any kind of marketable or meaningful way e.g. Microsoft Flight Simulator.

It doesn't matter what they've done or what anyone says you're going to be a contrarian because that's the kind of person you are. You make a dialog impossible because you are impossible.

 

[Dr Bass]

This is how Microsoft works as a company though. They just copy competitors and try to hit a bigger market. Look at how Windows, Office, Azure, and then their list of failed products no longer around like Zune, Windows Phone, and to a lesser extent, HoloLens came to be.

They don't create anything new.

 

[Swift_Star]

You seem to have a fundamental comprehension issue as to benefits provided to gaming. Microsoft created variable rate shading and Nvidia adopted it. Microsoft and Nvidia working together brought Ray Tracing to the gaming market via DXR.

Microsoft is the first company to bring cloud computing to the gaming space in any kind of marketable or meaningful way e.g. Microsoft Flight Simulator.

It doesn't matter what they've done or what anyone says you're going to be a contrarian because that's the kind of person you are. You make a dialog impossible because you are impossible.

None of that is innovative or new.
Why are you insulting me?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Yeah ps now is a subscription service that existed before hand.. but gamepass is the Netflix of gaming. Day one big time releases, reward system, discount on games, paid online included in ultimate, cloud anywhere u go with it on any device etc. When people bring up PlayStation Now they reek of desperation imo

If you have to define a service by mentioning another service, saying it is the "Netflix of gaming", it is the opposite of innovating lol.

Netflix had a subscription model going. Xbox just copied it, while Sony did it years before that with PS Now. And despite all that hoopla about Gamepass, it is still the least popular gaming subscription service out of three console companies. Why is that if Gamepass is so good and unique?.

 

[DynamiteCop]

None of that is innovative or new.
Why are you insulting me?

You have a skewed idea of innovation. Innovation =/= invention.

Bringing cloud computed rendering to gaming is innovation. Bringing a new method of shading to gaming is innovation. Bringing Ray Tracing to gaming is innovation.

You have a set of standards and you apply them biasedly.

 

[Deleted member 13]

Game Pass is objectively not bad, it's a first in THIS industry which is exactly why Sony is following them into that market.

I agree with this. It is a very innovative paradigm and if it's smart, it will be copied. It also opens up their way into completely eliminating a hardware console in the future and going strictly cloud. This would be a great move for the future but they are definitely lacking in good developers to make classic games like Sony has. Something I hope they are working on with these IPs purchases.

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

Play Anywhere
Game Pass
Quick Resume
Smart Delivery
Cloud Computing
Enhanced Backward Compatability
Adaptive Controller
DXR
VRS


I mean are you clowns for real lmao?

Quick Resume, smart delivery are marketing bs of features available on PS5.
Cloud computing is bs that never happened
DXR and VRS are adaptation of features that are adapted differently on other platforms.
Play Anywhere is just cloud streaming which was done many years ago on PSnow
Gamepass is Netflix and is based on PS plus monthly which was done many years ahead of gamepass.
Backward compatibility is not considered innovation. It is just that they did it better.

 

[arvfab]

Yeah ps now is a subscription service that existed before hand.. but gamepass is the Netflix of gaming. Day one big time releases, reward system, discount on games, paid online included in ultimate, cloud anywhere u go with it on any device etc. When people bring up PlayStation Now they reek of desperation imo

Is day 1 releases innovative? In that case, there are many indie games which released day 1 on PS+ long before GP was a thing. Discounts have been part of PS+ since beginning.

"Paid online included in ultimate"... Even before the new PS+ tiers, getting PS+ & Now was still less expensive than GPU. And for PSNow games, online was included.

And I could've played my PS games on PC and mobile since Remote Play was introduced, if I wanted to have a shitty experience instead of the real thing.

 

[DynamiteCop]

Quick Resume, smart delivery are marketing bs of features available on PS5.
Cloud computing is bs that never happened
DXR and VRS are adaptation of features that are adapted differently on other platforms.
Play Anywhere is just cloud streaming which was done many years ago on PSnow
Gamepass is Netflix and is based on PS plus monthly which was done many years ahead of gamepass.
Backward compatibility is not considered innovation. It is just that they did it better.

PlayStation 5 does not have quick resume and it also does not have Smart delivery.

Cloud computing is very real and it's shown firsthand in Microsoft flight simulator.

DXR and VRS are technologies which were first brought to gaming via Microsoft.

Play Anywhere has nothing to do with the cloud, it's a single purchase which applies to both the console and PC.

Game Pass is nothing like PS Plus.

Altering non-post rendering and framerates without touching code in the console space is a new form of backward compatibility.

You're not educated enough to have this conversation.

 

[Dr Bass]

PlayStation 5 does not have quick resume and it also does not have Smart delivery.

Cloud computing is very real and it's shown firsthand in Microsoft flight simulator.

DXR and VRS are technologies which were first brought to gaming via Microsoft.

Play Anywhere has nothing to do with the cloud, it's a single purchase which applies to both the console and PC.

Game Pass is nothing like PS Plus.

Altering non-post rendering and framerates without touching code in the console space is a new form of backward compatibility.

You're not educated enough to have this conversation.

PS5 doesnt really need quick resume if the games take advantage of the PS5 IO. Games designed for the hardware load in a second or so. And then you don't need to waste SSD space with RAM dumps.

It does in effect have "smart delivery" in that you just download the PS5 version of a game when you want it. I have this on Elden Ring, and several other games.

All that said, your last sentence is unacceptable for this site IMO. You can have all the opinions you want, and even be factually wrong while holding that opinion, but we don't insult people here. I even stuck up for you at times on that "other site" before you got the ban hammer, and I am happy you are here. But let's make this a good forum please.

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

PlayStation 5 does not have quick resume and it also does not have Smart delivery.

Cloud computing is very real and it's shown firsthand in Microsoft flight simulator.

DXR and VRS are technologies which were first brought to gaming via Microsoft.

Play Anywhere has nothing to do with the cloud, it's a single purchase which applies to both the console and PC.

Game Pass is nothing like PS Plus.

Altering non-post rendering and framerates without touching code in the console space is a new form of backward compatibility.

You're not educated enough to have this conversation.

I am definitely not educated.
Go ahead, I won't bother you from now on

 

[Dr Bass]

I agree with this. It is a very innovative paradigm and if it's smart, it will be copied. It also opens up their way into completely eliminating a hardware console in the future and going strictly cloud. This would be a great move for the future but they are definitely lacking in good developers to make classic games like Sony has. Something I hope they are working on with these IPs purchases.

My main beef with the GP setup (and even cloud) is that it makes these big companies potential gatekeepers of content. It's one reason the PC is so important for creativity and small devs. Anyone can push out any software they want currently. It's fine if it all co-exists, I just hope people don't get so hooked on "cheap content" (that is potentially subsidized by trillion dollar companies) that they aren't willing to spend cash supporting people who don't want to be behind those gates, or get denied etc, etc.

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

https://media.tenor.com/images/495c889c746a9a7cd6e09daa58c56ba7/tenor.gif

 

[BloodMod]

DXR and VRS are technologies which were first brought to gaming via Microsoft.

Please explain how an abstraction layer on top of driver support for hardware capabilities designed by third parties is the same as inventing said hardware capabilities.

 

[Swift_Star]

You have a skewed idea of innovation. Innovation =/= invention.

Bringing cloud computed rendering to gaming is innovation. Bringing a new method of shading to gaming is innovation. Bringing Ray Tracing to gaming is innovation.

You have a set of standards and you apply them biasedly.

Will you stop insulting me?
Still not innovative though.

 

[Deleted member 141]

Having two bespoke designed consoles for this gen right out the gate S/X is innovative and with the chip shortages it's allowed them to actually have hardware availible. Not only that but it provides an upgrade path for when a consumer decides they want that extra power.

 

[Katajx]

PSNow launched 3,5 years before of it, how can it be innovative?

Because unlike PSNow, Gamepass didn’t suck from day one. Talking about game streaming. I tested it since the beta and the years since up to the other day.

It feels like it’s catching up with the downloads but PSNow was expensive and a terrible product.

 

[BadBurger]

Memory is a bit hazy but they brought about Achievements didn't they?

Whether Achievements are derided or not on here for having a negative impact on gaming I don't really know but it is a pretty popular and common thing on the majority of platforms now.

Xbox Live, although not the first, was pretty revolutionary at the time. At least for consoles, friends list, blade dashboard, Xbox Live Gold.

They have certainly regressed since then, I think that was their best era, nothing has felt fresh since. Current dashboard is horrible, slow and clunky to use.

 

[Papacheeks]

I would argue though Gamepass is innovative, but its hard when PS NOW was way before it.

 

[Deleted member 13]

All that said, your last sentence is unacceptable for this site IMO. You can have all the opinions you want, and even be factually wrong while holding that opinion, but we don't insult people here. I even stuck up for you at times on that "other site" before you got the ban hammer, and I am happy you are here. But let's make this a good forum please.

Agreed. We won't stand for personal attacks at all.