Ampere Analysis / Console Sales: PS5 (21.7 million), Xbox Series X|S (13.8 million)

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I never saw his posts or anything like that tbh, or even know him. Id just follow the site back in the day.
Even recently I think when PS5 hit 10-12?million, they mentioned it a week or 2 before it was “official”. It will be in one of my older posts.
Ioi was the creator and owner of VGC… he left in 2015 or so… after than a forum user, D’Angelo continued doing the guesstimates… it was so reliable that a forum user like you and me substituted Ioi (well at least Ioi have GameStop or BestBuy regional data).

BTW do you mean that?


Sony official number were 13.4m for end of September 2021.

They rightfully adjusted UP the PS5 numbers after Sony public data to match it.

Trying to defense VGC will be very hard because they own data accuse their errors.
 
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Nope. VGC and Welfare publish different types of numbers.

VGC estimates sell-through numbers, Welfare estimates sold-in numbers. Their methodologies are also quite different.
I wouldn’t use published and methodologies when describing welfare’s guesses as if he has some type of sales data company. Come on now.

The dude is extrapolating based off limited data. That’s it.

Welfare tries to calculate Xbox hardware sales based on hardware revenue but wouldn’t Xbox controllers also account for hardware revenue? I don’t know how much of a factor controllers contribute to overall hardware but it must be somewhat significant because Microsoft has a new controller almost every month. Just point out a flaw in welfare logic.
That’s a good point. I’m not sure exactly what he breaks down. He doesn’t go into detail. It’s just revenue he’s using.

But yeah I don’t think hardware revenue is only for Xbox X and S consoles.

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There are no guesses when it comes to PS5 hardware numbers


Sony doesn’t hide them. MS does with Xbox for obvious reasons.

That Ampere number for PS5 is most likely correct since it’s based off real public data combined with their own. It’s Xbox where they’re using their internal data to get the numbers they did. I’m sure they’re dealing with real numbers.

I highly doubt Ampere is doing what Welfare and Vgchartz are doing.
 
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The two websites cannot be compared.

VGChartz mostly uses guesswork and is notorious for getting numbers wrong and guessing the data. Here is just one of many examples.

Ampere Analysis on the other hand is a very reputed analyst firm that can be trusted. Without official numbers that MS releases in their financial reports, Ampere Analysis data is the closest we will ever get.

Yes, both are analysts, but one is untrustworthy, and the other is an industry veteran and fairly respected. They cannot be compared. Just like both are "insiders": Jason Schreier and Robert Serrano, but you know you can trust Jason but not Robert.

Ampere and VGChartz are in two vastly different wheelhouses. One's more like NPD and the other's more like a Wiki fan page.

Fair enough. My only issue is that if people don't want to use any numbers for Xbox Series because it's not from Microsoft, then Ampere simply doesn't count either. You either have official numbers or it's all just guesswork. That's how I look at it is all.
 

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Again is PS5 at 20m+ and Xbox at 13M+ gonna help your console anymore? Chill and go play some games, the reason why y'all bought these consoles..
 
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The fact that he posted it validates it lmao. We're not having a debate here.
First off, he didn’t validate anything. He just quoted a dude and said thanks. The same dude he derides elsewhere.

YOU are inferring that he is agreeing with the numbers, which is probably what he wanted weak minded fanboys to think.

Secondly, this is Greenberg. A man who is a professional troll.

Ampere likely has the right numbers. It’s not that hard to talk to retail partners and get sales info. It is what it is. No need to be mad. And all of the numbers still jive with the marketing rhetoric MS is pumping out.

I so so wish MS would put as much effort into producing quality games as they would trying to spin the reality of things. It reminds me of people who work so hard to cheat in school, when it takes the same effort to do things right, and you’re much better off anyway.
 
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Fair enough. My only issue is that if people don't want to use any numbers for Xbox Series because it's not from Microsoft, then Ampere simply doesn't count either. You either have official numbers or it's all just guesswork. That's how I look at it is all.
Agree that it's all guesswork. No estimate can be a perfect substitute for MS sharing official console sales numbers, which is why numerous forum members often talk about it.

Unfortunately, MS is just too chicken to share numbers officially. So this is the best we've got for discussions.
 
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First off, he didn’t validate anything. He just quoted a dude and said thanks. The same dude he derides elsewhere.

YOU are inferring that he is agreeing with the numbers, which is probably what he wanted weak minded fanboys to think.

Secondly, this is Greenberg. A man who is a professional troll.

Ampere likely has the right numbers. It’s not that hard to talk to retail partners and get sales info. It is what it is. No need to be mad. And all of the numbers still jive with the marketing rhetoric MS is pumping out.

I so so wish MS would put as much effort into producing quality games as they would trying to spin the reality of things. It reminds me of people who work so hard to cheat in school, when it takes the same effort to do things right, and you’re much better off anyway.
Exactly. Aaron never said that the VGChartz numbers are correct. He just retweeted and said thanks.
 

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Ioi was the creator and owner of VGC… he left in 2015 or so… after than a forum user, D’Angelo continued doing the guesstimates… it was so reliable that a forum user like you and me substituted Ioi (well at least Ioi have GameStop or BestBuy regional data).

BTW do you mean that?


Sony official number were 13.4m for end of September 2021.

They rightfully adjusted UP the PS5 numbers after Sony public data to match it.

Trying to defense VGC will be very hard because they own data accuse their errors.

Im not trying to defend them. Im just saying a good few times they mention numbers and a few weeks later the official numbers come out and its pretty close. I don’t know of any alternatives
 

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On consoles Fortnite and Warzone are the biggest. Retail CoD … no; that’s dead — vanguard flopped. The era of arena CoD has ended.
 
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On consoles Fortnite and Warzone are the biggest. Retail CoD … no; that’s dead — vanguard flopped. The era of arena CoD has ended.

MW2 is going to sell gang busters. So I have no clue wtf you are talking about. COD has ups and downs all the time depending on the title. MW is the most successful in recent years. To think MW2 wont be #1 selling game for most of 2022-2023 is really a alternate reality that only exists in you're head.
 

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MW2 is going to sell gang busters. So I have no clue wtf you are talking about. COD has ups and downs all the time depending on the title. MW is the most successful in recent years. To think MW2 wont be #1 selling game for most of 2022-2023 is really a alternate reality that only exists in you're head.
It might not be dead, but Fortnite is still bigger than it.
 

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MW2 is going to sell gang busters. So I have no clue wtf you are talking about. COD has ups and downs all the time depending on the title. MW is the most successful in recent years. To think MW2 wont be #1 selling game for most of 2022-2023 is really a alternate reality that only exists in you're head.
By the way and I know this is out of topic but I wonder how Fifa/ not Fifa from EA will perform, because I believe that they lost the right to name it Fifa.I am sure the game will still sell a lot but will it reduce its sales?
 
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I still don't think there's a thread for this on ResetERA tbh 🤣🤣🤣At least NeoGAF has a thread for the topic, though.

You'd have to pay me at this point to think ResetERA hasn't been compromised by certain shills or Ambassadors. All of a sudden sales discussion doesn't matter when we get hard numbers from a professional industry analysis firm? Sure, Jan 🤣

Fair enough. My only issue is that if people don't want to use any numbers for Xbox Series because it's not from Microsoft, then Ampere simply doesn't count either. You either have official numbers or it's all just guesswork. That's how I look at it is all.

I don't personally have a problem with unofficial numbers as long as they seem reasonable and come from a reputable, professional source. I mean we get game sales numbers from NPD (or at least chart placings) and most of those games we never hear sales from the actual publishers, should we disregard NPD as well? Famitsu too, for that matter?

There has to be a limit. Things like NPD, Ampere, and Famitsu carry a very strong sense of professionalism and just report the data. VGChartz has a history of being unprofessional and being sensationalist to drive certain ideas or narratives (at least in the past; they may've tried cleaning up their act very recently but that doesn't do away with the previous stuff they did).

Now to the specific people who don't want to use Xbox numbers from sources outside of Microsoft, then yeah they should be consistent and not use numbers from sources aside Microsoft. But me personally, I just want Microsoft to give some actual sales numbers (for Xbox; what I'd really like are revenue figures for GamePass). If they aren't willing, however, then there are professional industry sources I trust that can provide very-close-to-accurate numbers even if Microsoft don't want to.

Because how do you think Microsoft (or Sony or Nintendo) get to know how many of their consoles have actually sold? They talk with their retail partners, who sell the systems, and report back to those companies. That's also how they can adjust shipments in the distribution chain. Ampere can (and does) talk with those same retail partners, that's how they get the numbers. NPD and Famitsu? Same deal.

So the only reason a platform holder would want to not report these numbers, that other firms can gather anyway (and I strongly doubt a platform holder can put these retail partners in a clause preventing them from sharing sales data with those aside from the platform holder, that would be both ridiculous and potentially illegal), is because they either want to not focus on unit sales in data relayed to shareholders, and/or they can silently rebuff those numbers as if suggesting they are inaccurate, by not validating them (they simply don't report any sales numbers).
 
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I still don't think there's a thread for this on ResetERA tbh 🤣🤣🤣At least NeoGAF has a thread for the topic, though.

You'd have to pay me at this point to think ResetERA hasn't been compromised by certain shills or Ambassadors. All of a sudden sales discussion doesn't matter when we get hard numbers from a professional industry analysis firm? Sure, Jan 🤣
ERA doesn't have a thread about it and it is indeed weird... they do have a comment or two in the PS Studios thread about it.
Installbase where most ERA sales guys moved have a thread.

 
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Agree that it's all guesswork. No estimate can be a perfect substitute for MS sharing official console sales numbers, which is why numerous forum members often talk about it.

Unfortunately, MS is just too chicken to share numbers officially. So this is the best we've got for discussions.

Microsoft not sharing console numbers has more to do with the fact that they can get a consumer into their eco-system without them having to buy a console. What you rather have? One person buying a PS5 for example at $500+ or five people buying that eventual streaming puck/stick at $100? Or even these five people just signing up to Game Pass via the TV app? Consoles are great, important and all but in the grand scheme of things, they're simply not as vital as they once were. I personally would prefer the five different users because that increases the chances of them spending more money by 5 over the one single person who buys a PS5 for example.

With that said, I would like to see Microsoft release the console sales numbers but im not expecting them to do so expect maybe in North America which I do believe they will take the lead by next year and win overall. For this I can see Microsoft releasing a statement.
 
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