Sony to Take Action as PS5, PS4 Owners Play Less Than Anticipated

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Hobbygaming

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GOW sold 875,000 on PC so far yet has 100,000 downloads on just one site which is German Only version. One site that is with the German version. Imagine what the hundreds of other sites have including English version.

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Watch the same happen to Spiderman remastered.
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Yurinka

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Why have they excluded titles... Death Stranding appears no where there and that clearly made it to six figures also.
Death Stranding was ported to PC before Sony started their new strategy of porting a few old 1st party games to PC, so they did allow Kojima to port it to PC using another publisher (not Sony) for PC. This graph only shows games published by Sony, under that new strategy.
 
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It already exists - Steam Deck.

I knew that was gonna get name dropped xD. The Steam Deck is a great-looking device, but it's something Sony makes no money off of, they can't control the hardware in it or its design, and it'd require a metric ton of ports to enable the entire PS4 library natively playable on it.

All things Sony can enable by making their own (legacy-centric) portable device that, hey, maybe some devs decide to continue target spec-wise for new games in the future (smaller devs would love that).

Maybe not you, but others around here seem to be under the impression that Sony's games are their property, and that only they are entitled to them.

I think you're confusing Sony fans with Nintendo fans.

Let's all agree that the fact that there will be a better version of the most proud exclusives on PS is hard to stomach. Having said that, it would make sense that someone would mitigate that reality by saying it will not release at the same time the exclusive comes out, so therefore the PS version is still the better version by default because it's available to be played immediately. That's a cope mechanism. The actual wish is that the exclusive will stay only for the PS platform and therefore the best it could ever be. Now this is no longer the case and so a big loss for Sony fans that relied on the exclusives to only be played on the PS hardware.

It's been that way for four generations though, 20+ years, so it's not like that expectation is going to flip overnight. It will take time, a lot of time, and Sony have to be careful about how they go about it because it could have negative impacts on their hardware and subscription service sales.

After all, if I can say "hey, TLOU3 Day 1 on PS5/PC, AND the new MP too?!?", then why would I get a PS5 for those games or a PS+ sub when I can get a PC and not pay for online play? AND have access to all the mods?

Sony would need a magnitude more sales via PC than they traditionally get from console in order to make up the potential difference in lost revenue on the console side. They don't have the infrastructure on PC yet to handle that.

This is the exact reason why Sony needs to lean into GaaS. Their single player AAAA model can only carry them so far and is risky when you get a misfire. You can’t evolve it and generate new revenue when it’s a single player game.

TBH if anything Sony needs to double-down on the things that make them most unique compared to their competitors i.e Microsoft, Nintendo primarily. And one of the most critical in that regard are the heavily story-driven, narrative-focused big-budget AAA marquee games. There are arguably no other publishers in the industry who can really compete with them in that style of game when it comes to the whole package, outside of maybe Rockstar and Ubisoft (and the latter is very much open for debate).

If GaaS live-service focus starts shifting Sony away from what makes them unique in the market, what makes them stand out and what keeps them connected to their software lineage, they're going to suffer heavily in the long run. Don't chase after competitors: differentiate yourself. That's the mistake Sega made, it's the mistake Nintendo mostly avoided, and both of those were at the time Sony entered the market as a platform holder!

We know more about Sony's live-service GaaS games in the short/mid-term in some ways than their third-person, story-driven action/adventure single-player epics and that's slightly concerning. There have to be viable alternatives for reigning in the budgets that don't lead down the path of scaling back on the amount of those games and filling out the majority of some hypothetical future lineup with GaaS live-service titles.

Not that Sony are in jeopardy of that right now, but it's always going to be a concern with some people in the back of their head until we start seeing the results of their first few big live-service GaaS titles and how that (in practice) affects their known marquee output (if it does at all).
 

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After all, if I can say "hey, TLOU3 Day 1 on PS5/PC, AND the new MP too?!?", then why would I get a PS5 for those games or a PS+ sub when I can get a PC and not pay for online play? AND have access to all the mods?
The narrative that consoles are bought mainly for their exclusives is weak in my opinion. They are a bonus when choosing a console over the the other, sometimes a selling point but not the main reason why casual Bob goes to the shop and pick one.

Who do you think Sony cares about most? Millions of casual Bobs with disposable income who want a plug and play experience after work OR a few thousand loud raging fanboys with no life crying on Twitter?

Casual Bob won’t suddenly build himself a rig because TLOU3 is coming to PC. Micro-Penis 3090 Joe will not leave PC and buy/sub on PlayStation for 5 or 6 good games per gen. (If he wants them, he’ll probably buy everything second hand anyway making Sony a fat zero dollar).

Exclusives going PC won’t ruin their console business. Treating their console audience like shit will.

Ninja edit: to clarify my point, Im not saying exclusives don’t matter, they certainly do in the console market. I just personally believe that the PC and the console audience are seperate entity within the gaming ecosystem and don’t really compete against each other as of right now.
 
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The narrative that consoles are bought mainly for their exclusives is weak in my opinion. They are a bonus when choosing a console over the the other, sometimes a selling point but not the main reason why casual Bob goes to the shop and pick one.

Who do you think Sony cares about most? Millions of casual Bobs with disposable income who want a plug and play experience after work OR a few thousand loud raging fanboys with no life crying on Twitter?

Casual Bob won’t suddenly build himself a rig because TLOU3 is coming to PC. Micro-Penis 3090 Joe will not leave PC and buy/sub on PlayStation for 5 or 6 good games per gen. (If he wants them, he’ll probably buy everything second hand anyway making Sony a fat zero dollar).

Exclusives going PC won’t ruin their console business. Treating their console audience like shit will.

Ninja edit: to clary my point, Im not saying exclusives don’t matter, they certainly do in the console market. I just personally believe that the PC and the console audience are seperate entity within the gaming ecosystem and don’t really compete against each other as of right now.
Depends on exclusives. Sony ones in particular carry a lot of recognition and common Joe responds to it just like he does to big brand 3rd party titles.

Not many would be unaware of Uncharted or God of War at this point. The movies and TV shows signal boost it even beyond gamers.

But I agree, regular Tom won't be diving into PC gaming in his late years without prior exposure, the appliance model, aka the console is the one for Tom, Dick and Harry.
 

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Depends on exclusives. Sony ones in particular carry a lot of recognition and common Joe responds to it just like he does to big brand 3rd party titles.

Not many would be unaware of Uncharted or God of War at this point. The movies and TV shows signal boost it even beyond gamers.

But I agree, regular Tom won't be diving into PC gaming in his late years without prior exposure, the appliance model, aka the console is the one for Tom, Dick and Harry.
Sony’s exclusives definitely deserve the praise and the fact there seems to be a general seal of quality required by Sony for every PlayStation Studios out there has been paying off. (Some will argue their games look and play the same but whatever).

Buying studio after studio and letting them do whatever the fuck is probably why Microsoft isn’t finding the same success but I’m reaching.

Sony’s franchise going mainstream is one more reason to expend their reach and go multiplatform. Jimmy’s Mom and Dad will go buy a console for Christmas after watching Uncharted on tv while Twitch fan little Billy will check on Steam to play it on his laptop.

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Jimbo Ryan keep porting first party game to PC and wondering why more and more people migrate to PC and game less on Playstation
Like I said, their exclusives are good but I wonder how far up Sony’s ass someone must be to believe that the growth of PC gaming has been single-handedly caused by them.
 

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I will play again as soon as I restore my will to live. Help me Sony
 

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The narrative that consoles are bought mainly for their exclusives is weak in my opinion. They are a bonus when choosing a console over the the other, sometimes a selling point but not the main reason why casual Bob goes to the shop and pick one.

Who do you think Sony cares about most? Millions of casual Bobs with disposable income who want a plug and play experience after work OR a few thousand loud raging fanboys with no life crying on Twitter?

Casual Bob won’t suddenly build himself a rig because TLOU3 is coming to PC. Micro-Penis 3090 Joe will not leave PC and buy/sub on PlayStation for 5 or 6 good games per gen. (If he wants them, he’ll probably buy everything second hand anyway making Sony a fat zero dollar).

Exclusives going PC won’t ruin their console business. Treating their console audience like shit will.

Ninja edit: to clary my point, Im not saying exclusives don’t matter, they certainly do in the console market. I just personally believe that the PC and the console audience are seperate entity within the gaming ecosystem and don’t really compete against each other as of right now.
For sure pc player with 3090 will never buy a console even if it has the best possible exclusives. We know this.
But for other people exclusives help to pick which console they want. Not if they want a console so yeah.
 

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That's $80 million more than the $0 they were making before on PC ports.

Then this year that's $220 million more than the year before (expected.)

And on and on.

That's the point of going into new markets.. it's new money. Sony clearly believes this money more than offsets the investment and any chance of cannibalizing PS5 sales. Likely because anyone who would jump ship to PC probably wasn't buying anything but a few exclusives anyways... like any PC gamer I know with a Playstation.

Also.. they are just porting old games at this point lol Sony is clearly thinking day 1 is a bad idea.. this is a measured action by them to increase profit... even if it sells a few less PS5s.

Can companies be wrong? Sure.. but.. they also have the data, have done extensive surveys, talked to analysts, etc. so you are just saying you know better than this massive company w/ a lot more data points.

But some of users will migrate to PC, like a few people I know. So that means more money spent on Steam and less on PS Store.
Someone like me who has spent thousands on PS Store since the PS3, could migrate to PC.

Plus you have to pay the middle man ( Valve ) for Steam sales.

So overall, we’ll have to see if the numbers are worth it.
PC sales VS The % of gamers who will migrate to PC from Playstation And spend their money there. If 5-10% of users like me migrate to PC, PS will lose alot of money then they gain from the PC sales numbers they have shown
 

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Is there not one thread where you're not crying about me explaining the trajectory of this business? Buckle up buttercup.

I've barely been active on the forum, but sure.

And I'd love to see your qualifications. You act very high and mighty, but at the end of the day, you're just a little PC warrior that has to port beg console games.
 

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I just find it sad that some people who are calling themself Sony’s fan are obsess with the lost of a few exclusives and point the finger at it as the sole reason for PlayStation alleged struggle.

Multiplayer locked behind a paywall, backward compatibility locked behind another paywall, 79,99€ games, cash grab remake, poor store implementation, paid upgrade, having to rebuy games, missing features from previous gen, micro transactions, Spiderman remastered available as a stand alone on PC but not on PS5, etc...

So many reasons to go “Fuck this and improve that” but instead “Stop porting my old games to PC” is all you hear.

Ridiculous.
 
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I've barely been active on the forum, but sure.

And I'd love to see your qualifications. You act very high and mighty, but at the end of the day, you're just a little PC warrior that has to port beg console games.
Dynamite Cop is diehard xboxers not pc gamer and its been along time hes been doing this tactics

Im surprised many folks here still havent noticed that
 
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I just find it sad that some people who are calling themself Sony’s fan are obsess with the lost of a few exclusives and point the finger at it as the sole reason for PlayStation alleged struggle.

Multiplayer locked behind a paywall, backward compatibility locked behind another paywall, 79,99€ games, cash grab remake, poor store implementation, paid upgrade, having to rebuy games, missing features from previous gen, micro transactions, Spiderman remastered available as a stand alone on PC but not on PS5, etc...

So many reasons to go “Fuck this and improve that” but instead “Stop porting my old games to PC” is all you hear.

Ridiculous.
well, engagement is down because they released less games.

if they want to ramp up on game releases, they could cut out the costs of PC ports and paying Nixxes--hell the whole nixxes acquisition in general---which is completely useless and counterintuitive to growing enagagement on console.

Put nixxes to work on actually making a game, imo. If they really are just here to run up costs porting old games to PC they are entirely useless and should be sold off immediately.
 

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It's a solution that benefits Sony, benefits PC gamers, hybrid console gamers, and hurts no one.

Or it takes away from the Playstation Paltform.

If people like me, who have spent thousands on the PS Store from PS3 times, deccides to start buying gaming on Steam instead, guess who loses out on money? Sony.

If 5-10% of buyers like me migrate to PC, it won’t be worth the money they made on Steam/PC ( which Valve takes a percentage)

We won’t know till a few years, but it could potentially make a little money for Sony, or lose them alot of money if customers move over to Steam
 

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well, engagement is down because they released less games.

if they want to ramp up on game releases, they could cut out the costs of PC ports and paying Nixxes--hell the whole nixxes acquisition in general---which is completely useless and counterintuitive to growing enagagement on console.

Put nixxes to work on actually making a game, imo. If they really are just here to run up costs porting old games to PC they are entirely useless and should be sold off immediately.
PS4: 2013 - 2014 - 2015

Killzone, Knack, Infamous, Resogun, Driveclub, LittleBigPlanet 3, TLOU Remastered, Bloodborne, Gravity Rush Remastered, God of War 3 Remastered , The Order 1886, Tearaway Unfolded, Uncharted Natan Drake Collection and Until Dawn.

PS5: 2020 - 2021 - 2022

Spiderman Miles Morales, Spiderman Remastered, Demon’s Souls Remake, Sackboy, Destruction All Stars, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Ghost of Tsushima Director’s Cut, Grand Turismo 7, Horizon Fobidden West, Uncharted Legacy of Thieves, TLOU Remake, God of War Ragnarok

14 vs 13

Not even including PS4 backward compatibility and 60 fps patches the current console got.

Do you honestly think Nixxes releasing one more exclusive game will change anything?

Try again.
 
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