The Last Of Us HBO TV Show |OT| Discussion (Spoilers)
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That's a fair criticism, even if I don't agree with it.
Please point out where I said it's the best thing ever made. What I said was that it's objectively one of the best series of all time. I can list a bunch of shows I liked more that didn't get many accolades. From a cinematic standpoint, that series is damn near perfect as a Drama. Hell, I don't like The Godfather and can still confidently say it's one of the best movies ever made. I think the biggest issue is that people were expecting the game completely mirrored on their TV and are not getting it. That's it.
The series does that as well by reinforcing infected as an even bigger threat though. Even in Episode 7, when Ellie leaves Riley and then decides to go back, you can feel the tension of "oh shit, infected are going to jump here, deviate from the game". They didn't, but the tension was there.
We've had:
- Joel killed a man with his bare fists
- Clickers are an actual threat
- A horde that gets blown to smithereens
- A second horde completely overruns the guys that overthrew FEDRA, showing they are powerless against the infected
- A "new type" of a child infected that is just horrible
- The bloater is an indestructible killing machine, essentially a bullet sponge that rips people apart
- Joel broke someone's neck because they threatened his existence
- Ellie and Riley are attacked by a Stalker, which in the game is pretty much a harmless annoyance and in the show can overpower a couple of people easily
Are some decisions questionable? Absolutely. Are they justifiable? Yes. Do you need to like them? No. Are they objectively bad or even mediocre? Also no.
Edit - This damn discussion made me remember Fringe, one of my favourite series of all time.
Druckmann and Mazin have discussed at length in the official podcast that the action is used to punctuate the story, it isn’t the focus of the story.
Basically, there’s less action than the game, but that’s because a TV show engages the audience differently than a game does, and they wanted to make a great show, not a second-by-second direct copy of the game.
~You have too much time on your hands.That was an entirely separate response. But yeah, there's absolutely no homophobia driving scores for this show:
As you can see above, the only episodes that deviate from ~2 to 3~ 1
- Episode 1: 9.2 average, 95.5k reviews, 1
reviews are 1.8% of the total
- Episode 2: 9.1 average, 88.1k reviews, 1
- Episode 3: 8.0 average, 201k reviews, 1
- Episode 4: 8.4 average, 55.4k reviews, 1
- Episode 5: 9.5 average, 58.9k reviews, 1
- Episode 6: 9.0 average, 36.8k reviews, 1
- Episode 7: 7.5 average, 30.4k reviews, 1
Episode 3 has 8 times more 1
So please, don't try and whitewash what is obvious. And I'm not trying to shit on your or others criticism, but to say certain episodes are not being review bombed by homophobic dumbfucks is just ignoring reality.
Edit - as for Chernobyl being overrated, I think your problem is that you simply don't like dramas, and that's ok. Chernobyl is objectively one of the best tv series of all time.
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Mare Of Easttown is easily one of the best new series I've watched on HBO.
Acting, Shots, to me is on par with Season 1 of True Detective but is a straight up murder mystery and also about drama within community.
Thats one you should watch, if you haven't already.
Thanks for the recommendation! I've never heard of Mare of Easttown so I'll check it out.
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I'm interested to see the changes they make to David's character, is he still a cannibal, a p*do? The last one specifically was what made him so frightening, I know they implemented a religious cult angle so we'll see if they got rid of the other two aspects.
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I don't know if he will be a pedo, but cannibal? Definitely. But HBO is never shy to bring up controversial topics and characters. Hell, they kept the gay angels on His Dark Materials which riled a lot of people up.
So, I'm inclined to believe he will stay a cannibal and a pedo.
To be fair there are a bunch of people who will say they like them precisely because "they do so much for the gays" (someone I know IRL said this).
But, yes, we are not 14 (I am not anyway), we should not have our tastes be dictated by people who we like or dislike.
I think what they will change again is the scale of the locations (I'm talking about the resort, etc).
Aa far as running times, I think this is because so much for development is lost to the small talk that happens in the down time in the game? or maybe the third episode could have focused on something else and leave the romcom to the sideshow?
Obviously the adaptation should not have been 1:1, there are just way too many encounters, time searching for resources for upgrading skills and weapons in the game for it to make any sense as a TV show, it would not be fun. I just don't think that the show has good cinematography, it does not have that feel of "every frame is a painting" to it, just like a lot of TV shows, but so many these days do it right too. Look at modern shows like Rogue Heroes or For All Mankind (a lot of Apple TV shows actually) they all nail the mood in their shots, the lighting is just beautiful, etc. that show does not have that.
I read a text about science fiction from Isaac Asimov, he described the rules that good sci-fi worlds should have, one of them as coherence, their own logic should be coherent within the rules set by the world the story is in. So in the case of TLoU things like the truck being sucked into the ground after hitting a building make no sense, the cadaver falling through the floor after the girls take the alcool from him does not fit, just the way some of the debris are placed at times hits as "placed mess". This world is supposed to be grounded in reality, except for that small mushroom they made, they should have been more careful with these details, among many others.
The truck had a plow mounted to it and hitting the building caused the foundation to collapse, which caused a sinkhole that connected to the underground tunnels the infected were herded into.
So I just watched the last episode with Ellie and Riley and have to say I found the whole episode really disappointing.
Just for context, I rated the DLC of the last of us as one of the greatest DLCs out there only being superseded by only the old hunters(bloodborne) and Diablo2's (Throne of destruction.)
The DLCs above are 10/10
I have loved the series up to this point but this episode feels like a huge step back from the game.
To me, the relationship between the two does not come across as organic in any way possible, plus the forced rubbish of them adding techniques like zooming in on them holding hands is so forced by the directors had me seriously saying out aloud, are they afraid the audience can't spot two girls falling in love that they need to "no pun included " have to amplify that effect and lead us by the hand.
As for the masks and dancing on the table, I found it just plain cringy and a far cry from the game's interpretation of humor and youth.
Perhaps I set my expectations too high, but i have been looking forward to this episode the most, i am just very disappointed with it.
Just for context, I rated the DLC of the last of us as one of the greatest DLCs out there only being superseded by only the old hunters(bloodborne) and Diablo2's (Throne of destruction.)
The DLCs above are 10/10
I have loved the series up to this point but this episode feels like a huge step back from the game.
To me, the relationship between the two does not come across as organic in any way possible, plus the forced rubbish of them adding techniques like zooming in on them holding hands is so forced by the directors had me seriously saying out aloud, are they afraid the audience can't spot two girls falling in love that they need to "no pun included " have to amplify that effect and lead us by the hand.
As for the masks and dancing on the table, I found it just plain cringy and a far cry from the game's interpretation of humor and youth.
Perhaps I set my expectations too high, but i have been looking forward to this episode the most, i am just very disappointed with it.
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To me the whole season after episode two felt something like that, disappointment after disappointment.
It started really well with the flashbacks that provided context to the story and slight changes that benefit the medium and story.
Then wtf.
